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 25 Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized (Read 56355 times)
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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #30 - Nov 24th, 2010 at 4:56am
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The contents of a ditch kit will change depending on where you are and what you wear on your clothes.  I will assume the following: this is for canoe country and the person will be wearing some kind of utility knife.

1) Compass: minimally important, you are probably not going anywhere and a map would be more useful than a compass.  (And if you wear one as many do, then totally no need to put in kit).
2) Blade: not needed, wearing utility knife.
3) Saw: Many utility knives can serve as a saw
4) Fire makers: YES
5) Medical: YES
6) Containers: No.
7) Food/water: no (water all around).
8) Signal: whistle and mirror (if whistle not worn)
9) needle/thread: needle, safety pin, and some kind of thread/string/line that is very small yet strong.
10)Small bit of duck tape
11) Space blanket

Basically, stuff to stay warm, deal with medical problems, and signal for help.
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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #31 - Nov 24th, 2010 at 3:20pm
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Can't see how a guy would end up on that "ways to die show" but I could be mistaken. Exactly how would the flame climb back against the force of the propellant? I can't see it happening but that age old question keeps popping up.........."what's the worst that can happen"?


Remember our discussion on the best way to get roll all the air out of your sleeping pad Wink
dd, correctly observed that for a brief moment the air gets sucked back into the valve Huh
I've done the hair spray/paint can blowtorch thing. Inspired by the scene with Sean Connery in the 007 movie.

Unlike hair spray/paint, bear spray's the ingredient capsicum, is oil based. The oil droplets hanging in the air is what you want the object of your wrath to run into after the initial discharge.

Unless you had a strong tailwind, there's a pretty good chance you'll get blow back. That's bad enough on it's own, but couple that with fire, and as Marlin says, CHIPOLTE Cry Grin

But the only way to know for sure is a live video test Undecided  Maybe you could combine it into a double feature, lighting bear spray AND in the spirit of the season, what could go wrong with deep frying the holiday turkey on the deck or in the garage Grin
  
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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #32 - Nov 24th, 2010 at 4:24pm
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mastertangler wrote on Nov 24th, 2010 at 3:55am:
Man when we were kids we used to take hairspray cans and hold a lighter up to them and let her rip. Quite the spectacle.

Can't see how a guy would end up on that "ways to die show" but I could be mistaken. Exactly how would the flame climb back against the force of the propellant? I can't see it happening but that age old question keeps popping up.........."what's the worst that can happen"?

Who said anything about the flame climbing back?  

I've ignited hairspray.  I even remember when Right Guard deodorant came in a spray can (yea, I'm OLD).  I remember the Right Guard especially, since it wasn't uncommon in my college dorm to have a 2-3 foot flame shoot through the door vent from someone standing outside and igniting their Right Guard spray.

BUT, neither of these were BEAR SPRAY!

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Reply #33 - Nov 24th, 2010 at 6:46pm
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Gents,
You are forgetting this would be worse case scenario stuff we're talking about. Your wet, cold and it's raining etc. and the little cotton balls soaked in vaseline have somehow been removed from your kit or worse failed to ignite your soaked and preciously obtained heretofore dry tinder. I would give her a go if I had run out of options and push came to shove. I suspect you might to. Yea I know it seems outrageous but a big pile of driftwood on a sandbar might be convinced to cooperate. Just check the wind direction and stand back.  Cool
  
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Reply #34 - Nov 24th, 2010 at 7:45pm
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It's my impression that the concept of the ditch kit is that you're not going to get sepparated from it.  No matter how wet & cold you are, you still have the ditch kit.  This is something that's on your person at all times.

In a survival situation what's normally outrageous is often perfectly acceptable.  I might normally say that a fire you need to stand away from is too big and just a waste, it's the order of the day when hypothermia/survival is a reasonable concern.
  
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Reply #35 - Nov 24th, 2010 at 11:42pm
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mastertangler wrote on Nov 24th, 2010 at 6:46pm:
Gents,
You are forgetting this would be worse case scenario stuff we're talking about. Your wet, cold and it's raining etc. and the little cotton balls soaked in vaseline have somehow been removed from your kit or worse failed to ignite your soaked and preciously obtained heretofore dry tinder. I would give her a go if I had run out of options and push came to shove. I suspect you might to. Yea I know it seems outrageous but a big pile of driftwood on a sandbar might be convinced to cooperate. Just check the wind direction and stand back.  Cool

I'd still suggest you give your canister a squirt to test your theory.

Let me put it this way, several years ago, I tested one of my canisters to insure that it still had pressure.  It was several years old and beyond the imprinted expiration date.  Even though the test was aimed down wind, I still had a bit of a cough for about 1/2 hour and my cats, INSIDE my house, were hacking and foaming at the mouth within 5 minutes and they were up-wind 30 yards away.

So, I'd recommend a test so you don't find out that you were "too clever by half" in the field.

Need to make a fire with wet tender?  Check out (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) youtube video.  Don't even have a wet cottenball?  There is another video in this series where fire is started from fire-steel and wet birch bark. 

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Reply #36 - Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:08am
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Aye Aye Capt.
I'll take your word for it. Stuff sounds kind of rough. I always have it in my tent at night but I have to remind myself that it would likely render me incapacitated if I used it.

I would have to be in dire circumstances to employ the spray for ANY reason. Hmmmm, I wonder how a bear would react to the flamethrower method........I'M KIDDING, I'M KIDDING....sorta Cheesy

  
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Reply #37 - Dec 8th, 2010 at 8:40pm
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I don't know why I didn't think of it before! One of these should be in every ditch kit!

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Reply #38 - Dec 9th, 2010 at 5:35am
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MMMMM Huh Here's a bit of a story for you all...A number of years ago; but still post the aerosol right guard era, but on another note I do remember those days-your not that old DD. Least we forget the Binoca flame, a flame of a different spice...but once again I digress, with pyrotechnic JOY Smiley.

But back to the story at hand.

At the time I was a canoe guide, what ever the heck that means (adolescent boys, low pay, chestnut barges (the other cadillac) and taco TVP Tongue). One of the things that was a typical pre-trip gig was to run through an exercise to access swimming skills of the campers and demonstrate a canoe over canoe rescue. The first group that was blessed to have me as their "guide" Cheesy came to me in early June, actually a typically cool windy June day.

The swim went peachy as I found my sinkers Wink The canoe was swamped, after a lot of coaching to properly achieve that necessary simultaneous lean, as was the rescue technique-these boys were impressive and shy, and the later is important in the chain of events that would continue to precipitate.

They elected contrary to direction to bring their change of clothes to the bath house for the post dunking warm up. With in 5 minutes I had one camper go from a typical "well functioning" 13 year old to Shocked ...a vomited out COLD grey blue unresponsive sack of flesh. Hypothermia is real, and IMO something that will impact most if not all of the fancy notions expounded in this thread for getting warm.

I understand the bush skills are very important, but only if one can make it through the DITCH. Simply said, good boy scouts dont ditch.

If one does ditch in cold water I sure would not want to find out the "system" (complex or otherwise) that I had developed is something that I could get my cold, numb, poor functioning body and compromised mental status to do. Is it an easy walk in the park always successful thing you can do...if not  Cry they wont be yours....

BTW the camper ended up being fine, his family, friends, and I got lucky; and he elected to do the trip to boot. After I got him warmed back up enough for him to come to, talk, and walk (some 30 minutes later) we took a stroll to the nurse's cabin his temp did not register on a thermometer (the lowest reading available on the glass was 86F) Shocked I still blame this on a "bad" thermometer Wink It was hours before his temp was normalized, even with the hot drinks and sleeping bag covers...

So you think you can always flick your BIC Undecided   , I hope you know so!
  
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Reply #39 - Dec 9th, 2010 at 1:28pm
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"Who said anything about the flame climbing back?   

I've ignited hairspray.  I even remember when Right Guard deodorant came in a spray can (yea, I'm OLD).  I remember the Right Guard especially, since it wasn't uncommon in my college dorm to have a 2-3 foot flame shoot through the door vent from someone standing outside and igniting their Right Guard spray.

BUT, neither of these were BEAR SPRAY"

don
t forget your Off or whatever - bug spray will also ignite
  
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