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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #40 - Dec 9th, 2010 at 1:37pm
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"So you think you can always flick your BIC    , I hope you know so!"


logic path --

you carry a ditch kit, and before, or even if getting hypothermic, you are able to light a fire quickly and warm up --  good

or, you carry a ditch kit, but get too hypothermic to be able to light a fire --  bad, but you are no worse off than if you didn't have the ditch kit in the first place

you don't carry a ditch kit, have no  way to start a fire, and eventually get too hypothermic to care -- bad - you had the time, but not hte means to prevent hypothermia

will you always win ?    who cares, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you can't start a fire, you need to get moving fast and run around or do jumping jacks, whether you feel like it or not, to try and get warm  --  Darwin's Rules.


  
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Reply #41 - Dec 9th, 2010 at 4:09pm
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marlin55388 wrote on Dec 9th, 2010 at 5:35am:
If one does ditch in cold water I sure would not want to find out the "system" (complex or otherwise) that I had developed is something that I could get my cold, numb, poor functioning body and compromised mental status to do. Is it an easy walk in the park always successful thing you can do...if not  Cry they wont be yours....

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So you think you can always flick your BIC Undecided   , I hope you know so!

At the risk of being redundant (an unfortunate character flaw Roll Eyes), that's why I've recommended a fire steel and striker.  Even ham-handed you can operate these.

Mad_Mat wrote on Dec 9th, 2010 at 1:28pm:
"don't forget your Off or whatever - bug spray will also ignite

But 100% deet doesn't.  Nice sizzle; no flame.

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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #42 - Dec 9th, 2010 at 4:17pm
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marlin55388 wrote on Dec 9th, 2010 at 5:35am:
So you think you can always flick your BIC Undecided   , I hope you know so!

Yep!  I've been in potential hypothermic situations twice times, one of which was hypothermia.  Early detection is key.  With the one actual hypothermia event we quickly got shelter, food, warm drink and into our sleeping bags.  Shortly after we both passed out.  Woke up a few hours later alive & well.

Somewhat disagree that a good scout never ditches.  Pushing my limits is part of how I learn where those limits are.  There are stupid ways to do it, there are smart ways to do it.  Solo I lean towards caution, often not doing things I know I *should* be fine with.  Tandem I'm willing & happy to push harder.  For me, being out there often entails pushing my boundries.  Always with an exit plan.  That exit plan might be, stay close to shore in case I ditch.
  
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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #43 - Dec 9th, 2010 at 4:38pm
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Well this isn't exactly altoid sized but I am trying to spread things around a bit.

Currently I have one duffel where ALL the cooking related items go (not food). Another duffel is dedicated to rain gear, bug shirt and mesh pants and headlamp.

I've decided to put my grill, 1 can of iso, 1 pocket rocket, 1 titanium cup (1.3 oz weight) and two freeze dried dinners (4.8 oz each) in with the rainsuit bag. Having options might go a long way to preventing trouble :exclamation Who knows how things are going to play out. 
  
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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #44 - Dec 9th, 2010 at 5:30pm
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It is indeed it is about learning boundaries, the point that I am trying to make is one in regards to not beating the biochemical one, the physiology of it all and the inherit limitations in it Wink Expecting the unexpected is a good thing, as is the thought process that comes with dialog...define the "boy scout" as you wish to do so that is about you as it should be and it will receive no acrimony or disdain from these parts; what ever floats your boat WinkIt is about audience and how I felt one of my stories related to this thread and how easy it is for some to get in their own way (inclusive); make of it what you want.
  
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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #45 - Dec 9th, 2010 at 5:45pm
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DD redundancy is not a "bad" thing when one considers the notion of audience, of course that is just MHO. Thanks for teaching me that key phrase: "HAM HANDED" that is a very good description; I was doing to make an analogy to a duck tape mitten and a suit of lead but this is more eloquent. Smiley

Experience yields a much finer resolution on the a line that is always in movement; hopefully anyways...Darwin's Rules Shocked
  
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Reply #46 - Dec 18th, 2010 at 10:47pm
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As I was crafting a small pill container last evening, a question arose.  The pill container is designed to hold a few iodine tablets for my ditch kit.

Since I always thinking "multi-use" for everything ... can iodine tablets serve as the basis of tincture of iodine?  Yes, I know I'll be missing the ethyl-alcohol, but could it serve a disinfectant purpose?  I've red that tincture of iodine can be used to purify water ... I'm assuming the "role reversal" would also be possible.

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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #47 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 2:43am
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Is there a doctor in the house? Huh
  
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Reply #48 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 3:11am
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No, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn, "now stand back everyone and toss me those iodine pills and that bowie knife".........
  
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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #49 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 8:45pm
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mastertangler wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 3:11am:
No, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn, "now stand back everyone and toss me those iodine pills and that bowie knife".........


Since it was NOT a Holiday Inn Express, it doesn't count!
  
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