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Reply #70 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 12:24pm
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Reply #71 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 1:51pm
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I used to pack some foil rolled up & protected.  Then when I needed it, it was useless.  Over time it had stuck to itself & I couldn't unfurl it.  Out of a 3' length I got about 6" square of intact foil.  ymmv
This year I'm going with heavier foil to see if that makes a difference.

Instead of a bobber, a little baloon?
  
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Reply #72 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 3:35pm
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Preacher wrote on Apr 8th, 2011 at 1:51pm:
I used to pack some foil rolled up & protected.  Then when I needed it, it was useless.  Over time it had stuck to itself & I couldn't unfurl it.

You make an excellent point and one that, in part, got me started down this road.  

In the process to inspecting the pockets of my PFD where my former ditch items were stored, I discovered that my mylar sleeping bag had delaminated.  While it might have been useful for carrying water (after a rinse), it would not have served much other purpose.

So, whatever you might choose to include in a pocket, pack or PFD should you loose access to your normal gear needs to be inspected at least annually, if not as part of a pre-trip ritual.  (What's the last time you flicked that BIC?)

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Reply #73 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 6:15pm
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I was trying to find a way to keep my hooks from punching into any thing else and also a place to carry some braded line for use in shelter building and fishing.  I wrapped the hooks in the line until they were completely covered.
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Reply #74 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 7:48pm
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I was trying to find a way to keep my hooks from punching into any thing else and also a place to carry some braded line for use in shelter building and fishing.  I wrapped the hooks in the line until they were completely covered.
Nice kit DD

Another option would be a wine cork, cut down a bit.  Keeps single hooks safe & could double as a bobber, just drill out a 1/8" hole.  Use a stick to hold the line in the hole.
Smart using braided line.  That stuff lasts a few years.
  
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Reply #75 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 1:27am
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Nice kit.......solid comments.

If I was smart that's where I would stop. But I haven't been accused of that on a regular basis so I'll cast one observation for consideration.

My kit is far less elaborate and I could stand some careful scrutiny of DD's kit to see if I couldn't improve mine somewhat. One thing about my kit which I believe is superior however is my reliance on several packets of wetfire tinder instead of one.

Bear with me. If you haven't tried the wetfire tinder it is nothing short of amazing. Burns hot even when wet for an extended period. I have confidence in getting a fire going if I can spark the wetfire (which I have full confidence I can). It is extremely light and fairly compact. Getting a fire going is priority #1 if you are cold and wet.

The question I have is why just one packet? How about in the morning? It has rained through the night and the temp has continued to drop. The rain is still coming down and your shivering despite the mylar sleeping bag. Your fire that you established went out about 3 A.M. The front could last another 2 or 3 days. Being able to keep a fire going in adverse circumstances would be paramount. You fall asleep.....out it goes. With the wetfire tinder a fire is all but assured.......a much larger margin in your favor. I think I have 4 or 5 in my kit. Like I said they're light, no bigey. Reasonable, rational :question or just dopey.
  
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Reply #76 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 1:55am
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mastertangler wrote on Apr 10th, 2011 at 1:27am:
One thing about my kit which I believe is superior however is my reliance on several packets of wetfire tinder instead of one.

Bear with me. If you haven't tried the wetfire tinder it is nothing short of amazing. Burns hot even when wet for an extended period. I have confidence in getting a fire going if I can spark the wetfire (which I have full confidence I can). It is extremely light and fairly compact. Getting a fire going is priority #1 if you are cold and wet.

The question I have is why just one packet? How about in the morning? It has rained through the night and the temp has continued to drop. The rain is still coming down and your shivering despite the mylar sleeping bag. Your fire that you established went out about 3 A.M. The front could last another 2 or 3 days. Being able to keep a fire going in adverse circumstances would be paramount. You fall asleep.....out it goes. With the wetfire tinder a fire is all but assured.......a much larger margin in your favor. I think I have 4 or 5 in my kit. Like I said they're light, no bigey. Reasonable, rational :question or just dopey.    

I'm thinking of using the wetfire more for getting a fire started when other methods fail.  I don't plan to use more of the cube than required to achieve that end.  I figure I can get 3-4 fires from one cube by shaving off only what is needed rather than using a complete cube.

I'd also recommend that you confirm that you can ignite a fire with a striker (if that is your plan).  Thinking you can do it and knowing that you can are two different things.  You need to have the confidence that DOING provides.  This will help to mediate your frustration when it doesn't happen exactly like you expect.  (BTW:  Getting wetfire to ignite with a fire steel IS as easy as it looks.)

That is precisely why I spent some time working on making fire with a bow drill.  It looks easy enough, but there is a little technique to it.

Bottom like: if you have room for more, by all means take more.

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Reply #77 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 2:48am
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I have tried to not get the wetfire to ignite but failed.

Extreme and sometimes prolonged conditions is usually what gets folk into trouble. Even experienced knowledgable people go down. I always think worse case scenario. Instead of one cube for two or three fires I think 2 or 3 cubes for one fire. I'm totally with you as far as the "real world" situations. Not many of us have had to start a fire after a 3 day soaker while shivering in driving rain and swirling wind.

Anyway, that's my opinion FWIW. Sure there are other ways to start a fire but why omit and skimp on the superior when the drawbacks are so miniscule. The stuff is compact and extremely lightweight........ I bet by tomorrow, after you've had time to sleep on it, you'll be stuffing a few more in Wink.   

  
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Reply #78 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 6:01am
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That whole top row is fire starting stuff from the duct tape on! I get the ... just dumped ... want a fire to avoid hypothermia idea (mostly). After that, what's the big deal? Fuel, air and heat. Not that hard. The hard part would be finding a decent place to start a fire on an unforgiving shoreline. I simply assume the cotton ball container fits and would be convenient with the firesteel.

I had mentioned earlier that I liked the addition of the aluminum foil. The reason for that is starting and sustaining a fire quickly, no matter what. Starting a fire is easy. Sustaining one with wet sticks in the rain is another matter. Foil provides quick separation from cold, wet ground. It also reflects heat towards you and can also keep the cooling rain off your fire. Basically, foil could help with the heat part of the fire triangle.

Once emergent conditions have passed and you don't have a saw or hatchet, I'm sort of thinking one of those lame coil saws with the two rings for your fingers might be a nice addition. If you want a fire to last w/o feeding it every few minutes you need larger fuel.

I still hold the belief that, for me, gathering wood would warm me faster than an instant fire and when I imagine all the different sorts of places I might drift/swim to, there's not a lot of great places to build a fire to begin with. Once stranded w/o all the things that normally provide comfort, a fire would be nice to sit by in the dark at some sheltered location.

Still hoping you never need it for real DD. Maybe fold the foil to fit the box instead of rolling? Foil would be a plus IMHO.
  
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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #79 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 11:59am
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It have also seen Ti foil, might last a bit longer with it's physical properties.
  
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