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Reply #10 - Nov 30th, 2010 at 5:27pm
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What about the Altiod tin itself, with a few pebbles to support the wick and take up the volume if need be. I suppose a small hole in the corner in the tin top (supporting a tip if need be) could also work keeping the efficiency in a better place, if one was using a liquid fuel source...that is... Huh Cooking vessel too.... I seen to remember seeing film containers in metal of the 35mm persuasion that could work pretty good for this....aren't we getting pretty close to a "can" in some regards?

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Reply #11 - Nov 30th, 2010 at 5:43pm
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I wonder what would happen IF they found a spent shell/minus primer filled with pot, like Akula described.
I guess you could claim it was a bong or roach clip and see if you faired better being a pothead or a potential terrorist  
They would arrest the perp.  Pretty stupid thing to do, cross an international border with illegal drugs.


Post 9/11 that may be true, but before that, depending on the officer and the amount/kind of drugs, it was not always a certainty.

True story. Back when I tripped with 3 other guys, one of them lived in Atlanta Georgia. He owned a couple of Mexican bar/restaurants, and had a concealed carry license.

One year he had to drive up to Atikokan solo because of business problems. In his haste, he forgot that he had a .25 Automatic tucked between the bucket seats of his Dodge van. He also had a small amount of pot for his personal use.

When he hit the border, it was just his luck to get motioned over for random inspection.  He saw the officers with a dog, and assumed it was a drug dog. He knew they would find the pot, so he just decided to make it easy and pulled the baggie from between the seats.

Much to his dismay, as he pulled the baggie out, he saw the butt end of his pistol and realized what he had done. The gun was legally registered but he didn't have proof of that or that he owned it. In either case he didn't feel it would make a difference. They ordered him out of the van, the dog jumped in and found the pot tucked into the ashtray on the engine console. The dog went thru the vehicle and they searched his personal gear, but the officers didn't search his van.

He owned up to the pot, and basically they confiscated it, he had to pay a fine and they put him on a list for future inspection.

When he got up to Atikokan, he was a nervous wreck. We had a lengthy discussion about what he should do with the handgun, but in the end, he said he would take care of the problem and that we were better off not knowing what he was going to do?

Years later it came out that on the way home, he stopped at some no-name lake and field stripped the gun, emptied the clip and threw the pieces into the lake. Not environmental correct for sure, but considering what could of happened, I guess he didn't see another way out of it Undecided

The next year, we all rode up together, in a different vehicle. When we stopped and showed our IDs, the officer held onto his ID for a minute, checking something on his computer. Then he said he was free to enter and that he was no longer on that " list".

I'm sure their much stricter now, but back then, it appeared it was very hit/miss, or at least on this occasion it was.
  
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Re: Emergency Fire Accelerants
Reply #12 - Nov 30th, 2010 at 6:46pm
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DentonDoc wrote on Nov 30th, 2010 at 4:54pm:
Can anyone think of something else that might be on your person (or at least in something like a fanny pack) that might serve as a fuel source ... something that you'd normally carry when in the out-of-doors?

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The hand sanitizer is the key item that would almost always be with me.  That and bug spray.  Being a smoker, I always have a few sources of fire handy.
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 30th, 2010 at 6:54pm
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Neat story ST.  I wonder if the right thing to do is to come 100% clean & explain the honest mistake.  It's one thing to surrender the gun at the border, something else to smuggle it in.

I do wonder if they would let him pick it up on the way home.  Maybe Can customs would surrender it to the US officials.  There should be some provision for him to surrender & recover it.  After all, it's his legal property and any issues in the US are between him and the US.

There's no licence issued in any US state the supercedes the laws of the nation you are entering.  I'm not a hunter, but I suspect there's paperwork involved in brining guns from one country to the other.
  
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Reply #14 - Nov 30th, 2010 at 11:39pm
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I think if it would of been a state to state violation, he would of surrendered the weapon, explained it was an honest mistake and after providing proof of ownership and legal registration, pay any fines and probably get his weapon back.

Some states recognize concealed weapons permits from other states, some don't. There are books maps that tell travelers that carry legal weapons what states reciprocate and those that don't.

I think considering he had the pot, it was a foreign country, he just was afraid to take the chance. A felony conviction, even if it didn't result in jail time, would probably cost him his liquor licenses in Atlanta.

You can bring long guns into Canada with certain restrictions on types and magazine capacity. You need to fill out forms. I know bringing a handgun in for hunting is a problem, I'm not sure if you can? I'm sure that for a fee and with proper paperwork you can bring your legally registered US weapons across the border, if say you were going to Alaska via Canada.

Yes, no state law supersedes International Law, as it should be.
  
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Reply #15 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 1:16pm
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"Can anyone think of something else that might be on your person (or at least in something like a fanny pack) that might serve as a fuel source ... something that you'd normally carry when in the out-of-doors?"


Duh - TP (or AW if you prefer)
  
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Reply #16 - Dec 2nd, 2010 at 4:38pm
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DentonDoc wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 9:57pm:
Listed in order of flame strength:

1) petroleum jelly -- produces a strong, but initially sooty flame; container very near empty in 30 minutes
2) chapstick -- produces a strong, clean flame (only slightly less flame than petroleum jelly; container about 2/3rds empty in 30 minutes
3) alcohol-based hand sanitizer -- produces a small, nearly clear flame; container 1/2 empty after 30 minutes
4) vegetable oil (olive oil) -- produces a tiny, clean flame; container only 1/4 empty after 30 minutes.

5) Carmex -- produces a tiny to small, clean flame (after an initial sooty period); container 1/2 empty after 30 minutes.

Yes. TP will burn, but (butt) I don't want to contemplate how much it would take to last 30 minutes.

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Reply #17 - Dec 2nd, 2010 at 4:49pm
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What about balsam and spruce pitch, something that one does not have to carry and is widely available. Huh
  
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Reply #18 - Dec 2nd, 2010 at 5:06pm
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marlin55388 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2010 at 4:49pm:
What about balsam and spruce pitch, something that one does not have to carry and is widely available. Huh

GOOD IDEA, but I'm a little too far south to check out balsam and spruce pitch.  Pine pitch might also work, but even those are somewhat scarce in my area ... mostly hardwoods where I'm at.

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Reply #19 - Dec 2nd, 2010 at 5:13pm
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Is this quest for a fuel source for warmth or light...ease of ignition...?
  
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