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Dec 9th, 2010 at 7:24pm
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I don't know how many of you guys are like me but I carry quite a bit on my belt. Newly added knife/bug spray combo, camera, bear spray and water bottle all go where I go at least till I get to camp.

If you are in need of a first class belt that doesn't loosen up and is sturdy these are awesome. My pants and shorts are from Railriders and already come with a belt so I just throw this belt over everything. The velcro makes for a perfect fit without loosening up.

I got mine at Duluth trading co. and is advertised as a smoke jumpers belt. They look good for casual wear too. Cool
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How do you sit in your canoe with all that stuff on your belt? or have you?
  
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As I recall, a number of people, myself included, at first misread MT's name as masterAngler. masterTangler seems a very fitting name to me.

MT, no offense intended but I am not like you at all. I try to take less and less gadget type stuff every year. I've also learned to always tuck in or tighten the bottom of a jacket/shirt whatever so it can't get caught on the seat and I've always thought outdoor clothing designers sewed the belt inside of my pants for a reason.
  
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Reply #3 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 12:43pm
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Yo DB
What's happening big Daddy? Glad you like the name or rather think it's fitting. The personally amusing double meaning was intended in a piscatorial way but I suppose a person can read into it what they want. I am plain spoken and transparent and would not seek to "entangle" anyone in a deceptive manner. I detest guile. Of course it's a different ball game if your a fish! Wink

Yea, I like my stuff. Man on a mission sort of thing. I think if I got to go more often that would very likely change. I'm a planner and try to be detail oriented. For me that inevitably leads to tools to accomplish the task.  But everyones reasons for going and manner in which they progress on canoe trips (and for that matter life in general) is as different as winter and summer. Each season has its attractiveness though doesn't it?

But back to the belt........Might as well not have the bear spray if it's not there when I need it. Camera..........tuck it away and it will likely not get used. Water bottle............on the walk back it sure is nice to water up! Bingo, I reach down and there it is. Nice!  
  
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I've got a couple of the 1" Bison belts - I use one canoeing since its nylon and does not get hurt by water - may have to check the 1 1/2"er out ----  seems like there is only one critical factor to decide - have you been able to open a beer bottle with that buckle yet????

now I like the belts I have cause they are light and functional, and I can burn them as "fire excellerant" ala DD, but I don't hang anything but a belt knife off them, and that's only when hunting - but then again, you can always boil up your leather belt for soup if you get lost in the wilderness -  now I've got to decide between excellerant and soup stock!

I find those you tube videos of gear amusing - a 5 minute video about a simple belt! - I think people just like to fondle thier toys in front of a camera.
  
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Reply #5 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 1:53pm
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Old Salt wrote on Dec 10th, 2010 at 5:15am:
How do you sit in your canoe with all that stuff on your belt? or have you?


Everything rides on the sides. Bear spray and camera do well. Water bottle is removed and set aside.I had some concerns about the recently acquired knife however. If it's not comfy it is a no go. At first I didn't like it but the sheathe has two mounting options. One to hang high or low. I changed the configuration and I'm pleased as punch.


  
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Mad_Mat wrote on Dec 10th, 2010 at 1:27pm:
I find those you tube videos of gear amusing - a 5 minute video about a simple belt! - I think people just like to fondle thier toys in front of a camera.


Come on Mat, smart guy like you! A belt may be simple but these are not simple belts. I suppose I have the advantage in perspective inasmuch that I have owned mine for several years.

  
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I'm closer to db. I'm not big on gadgets. Only thing on my belt is my Gerber multitool fishing pliers. I use a Sitbacker canoe seat, and if I had a lot of stuff on my belt, I wouldn't fit in the seat.

Bear spray? Never carried it anywhere but Alaska, and never missed it. Water bottle tucked in elastic pocket on my daypack, which is within easy reach. Bug spray in another pocket on daypack. Camera is in same pocket with bug spray and sunscreen. Different ways of organizing, different strokes...

I would also guess that wearing a lot of stuff on belt might interfere with carrying some packs...
  
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Reply #8 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 4:08pm
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I keep meaning to get some army surplus webbing belt & suspenders to keep my walking around gear handy.
  
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My "carry" belt is actually just the belt of my fanny pack.  Its nylon, its 2 inches wide, it holds my water bottle, it holds my bear spray canister, the pack itself holds compass, bug spray, sun screen, whistle, signal mirror, fire steel, lighter, surgical tape, small Gerber knife, eye glass cleaner and one or two other small items.

But, when I'm in the canoe, the pack is clipped around a thwart, in each enough reach that I have ready access to it.  I wear it on one trip across a portage (but rotated to the back with the pack part in front, so it doesn't interfere with whatever pack I'm carrying.  

My camera (since I now carry a waterproof model) is attached to the thwart in front of me with a caribiner when in the canoe.  Its transferred to a clip point on my day pack when portaging.

All that said, my pants and held up by a (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) very much like this one.  Its a 1 1/2 inch, nylon belt.  Another model has a buckle very much like the jump belt previously mentioned, but I preferred the smaller buckle.  I've always traveled in the backcountry with a "web-styled" belt with a "slider-style" buckle.  As far as I'm concerned, its just another "tool."  If I need a strong lashing, I can use my belt.  If I need a tourniquet, I can use my belt.  If I need a sling for a broken arm, I have my belt.  (I typically but them just a little long for this reason.)  But ... I don't hang anything on it ... if I DO fall out of my canoe, I want to come out cleanly and not get hung up.  Even if the belt does get hung up, I can release the buckle with one hand.

But ... different strokes for different folks.

In my case, since I generally paddle solo and my fanny pack is clipped to the canoe while paddling, there is no guarantee that I "walk away" with it in a ditching ... consequently, the discussion about an "on my person" ditch kit.  That was the principle reason I decided to go with a Ka-Bar neck knife (a single-piece slab of cro-vat steel, lightened with cut-outs in the handling) rather than an "on-my-waist" model.

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Reply #10 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 4:46pm
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Hey OS,
How do you like the sitbacker? I like a seat especially when I fish or when I need a break for 5 minutes paddling. Right now I have a crazy creek. It's only OK. Been thinking about the sitbacker.

I suppose we could go round and round all day on bear spray. I am reminded of a story I just made up Wink. Mrs. Lincoln really enjoyed going to plays until one day.............

I didn't take it in last trip. There were 4 of us. Whole different ball game than going solo. I have been chased once by a moose and laid siege by a bear twice. When one is snuffling inches from your arm and you just have some nylon between you and big strong jaws and pointy teeth the perspective changes. If I hadn't read that blasted bear book everything would of been great. But to have read the absolute horror of what some people have gone through and then toss in that Mr. Blackie is much more likely to be predatory upon people than a Grizzly..................well, the spray stays. And if it stays I had better well have it in reach if I need it. I wonder how it would work on a moose? I was running to fast to even think about the stuff Grin.

I have always run a belt. It is automatic for any adjustment to be made in my canoe seat if need be. After that I don't even know the stuff is there. When that picture presents itself I can whip out my camera. I know I would never stop to go and get a camera if it was stashed away. Plus I drink TONS of water. I usually do this on the way back on a portage. It's handy if it is right there. The knife is probably the only iffy thing. But I'm in love Kiss and starry eyed right now. It'll probably end up staying cause I like it! Oh, and did I mention finally always having bug spray with me now! Usually I have to slug my way back to a bag.......where the heck did I put that stuff,.........swat, smack, Grin swat.  
  
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I really like the Sitbacker. Very comfy, and good back support. Back folds down for portaging. I just added a little extra velcro, to insure it stays folded. You will like it. Besides, the commission on just one more sale, will insure my retirement...

As for the bears, I could tell the true story about the time 10 years ago when I whacked one across the snout with my canoe paddle. He left the campsite, and so did we, never to cross paths again...just a matter of being clear about the chain of command.
  
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Lots of talk about where your insect repellent is carried.  I came across one of these on a portage last year.
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I was just going to carry it out then I needed spray and my bottle was at the other end of the portage and I tried it.  It went into my shirt pocket and I used it for the rest of the summer. They have a clip like a pencil that keeps it from falling out of your pocket. I will buy another one for next year.
  
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Lots of talk about where your insect repellent is carried.  I came across one of these on a portage last year.
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I was just going to carry it out then I needed spray and my bottle was at the other end of the portage and I tried it.  It went into my shirt pocket and I used it for the rest of the summer. They have a clip like a pencil that keeps it from falling out of your pocket. I will buy another one for next year.


I like it! I wished I had known about that option years ago.
I am sensing you are an imminently practical man Magicpaddler.

  
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Old Salt wrote on Dec 10th, 2010 at 8:55pm:
As for the bears, I could tell the true story about the time 10 years ago when I whacked one across the snout with my canoe paddle. He left the campsite, and so did we, never to cross paths again...just a matter of being clear about the chain of command.


"You could tell the story".........another holdout! One day around the fire perhaps. I guess if your going to whack one, across the nose is about the only place.

I read a story where a Grizzly was mauling a woman's husband and she had the courage to confront the bear. It turned on her and she swung a pair of binoculars and whapped it on the nose twice and it left. I would do whatever it took to help someone but it sure would be nice to have some spray in my hand when I get into the middle of it.

In Glacier at Mokawanis lake I had 4 guys that I had met earlier in the day from Wisconsin come running into my campsite saying that a bear had come up to them in the eating area while they were cooking. I asked them what kind of bear and when they said a black I chastised them pretty good about not letting it get their food and then I ran the thing off. The next day they all wanted my picture. Roll Eyes I think I might of looked rather peculiar on that trip. Later on my way out I had not 1 but 2 people ask me if I worked for National Geographic. I was so puzzled I missed the opportunity to have some fun with them and instead shot them that "who, me" :question look.. Wink

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I was just going to carry it out then I needed spray and my bottle was at the other end of the portage and I tried it.  It went into my shirt pocket and I used it for the rest of the summer. They have a clip like a pencil that keeps it from falling out of your pocket. I will buy another one for next year.

I like it! I wished I had known about that option years ago.
I am sensing you are an imminently practical man Magicpaddler.

My bad!   Undecided  I just assumed others had run into these since I got my first one at Wally World several years ago.  

Actually, I have the "industrial strength" version produced by Sawyers.  Same container, but labeled "Maxi Deet" ... it contains 98% deet.  I keep one in my fanny pack and another in a pocket of my PFD.

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Surely you don't think MT would shop at Wally World...
  
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Me elitist? Ha! Walmart is the bigest store in my town.

Before I wised up I had a certain affinity for a brewski and a pool cue. Probably would come back a little quicker than I would care to admit.

I prefer to think in terms of "well rounded" Grin. Here is a place out your way you might want to check out. I've had some very pleasant times there. I heartily suggest going.
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I don't care for having to much stuff hanging off my person in the field.
I carry a small fanny pack like dd with some Bullfrog bug spray/sunscreen combo lotion and my big knife, fire starter/ LED flashlight and some other "ditch type items". I carry it either with the pack in the front or clipped around sternum strap if I'm carrying a big pack. I've fallen plenty of times but rarely face first, and when I did, I could use my hands/arms to soften the fall.

I modified my bear spray holster from a belt type, to a clip on one.
I clip it to the sternum strap/shoulder strap of my pack, and then just hand carry it on return trip for second load.

I carry a very small personal knife either around my neck, or clipped into side cargo pockets of my pants.

The reason I don't like things hanging off my person is because I've seen people take falls and really bruise themselves up landing on gear they had on. Wearing a pack, most experienced people know to "turtle" if they can, but sometimes they end up on their sides with all that extra weight bearing on them. Anything that's protruding off your pack/waist belt will be putting a hurt on you if you land wrong.

Years ago a backpacking buddy was fond of wearing a metal GI type water canteen around camp or for day hikes. He fell on it one year and bruised his hip bone so bad that we had to abort the trip and carry his gear out while he limped along Cry

More than one hunter/ camper has fallen awkwardly while wearing a sheath type knife in leather/nylon holster and found themselves on the business end of it Shocked
Kydex holsters might bruise you, but generally speaking they won't cut thru as easy if you find yourself taking that odd fall.
  Just something to take in consideration when planning your gear selections/carry methods Wink

  
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Absolutely love this belt and have worn it for years!  Of course, I wear mine with my sidearm and concealed harness Smiley  I don't think I would take it on a canoe trip, as my method of clothing/gear storage is more akin to the sole multi-pliers sheath on a thin webbing belt.  I haven't heard of any aerial rescues in the parks, so I doubt the strength is necessary.

Great belts though.
  
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DentonDoc wrote on Dec 11th, 2010 at 12:05am:
My bad!   Undecided  I just assumed others had run into these since I got my first one at Wally World several years ago.  

Actually, I have the "industrial strength" version produced by Sawyers.  Same container, but labeled "Maxi Deet" ... it contains 98% deet.  I keep one in my fanny pack and another in a pocket of my PFD.

Just got back from a trip to Wally World.  While they didn't have the Sawyers version, they did have the Coleman product at 98% deet.

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DentonDoc wrote on Dec 14th, 2010 at 9:27pm:
DentonDoc wrote on Dec 11th, 2010 at 12:05am:
My bad!   Undecided  I just assumed others had run into these since I got my first one at Wally World several years ago.  

Actually, I have the "industrial strength" version produced by Sawyers.  Same container, but labeled "Maxi Deet" ... it contains 98% deet.  I keep one in my fanny pack and another in a pocket of my PFD.

Just got back from a trip to Wally World.  While they didn't have the Sawyers version, they did have the Coleman product at 98% deet.

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Word of caution with these little containers.  Embarrassed

A few years I took my son on a river float for smallmouth. It was his 1st trip in his own boat. He was 13 and it was a big day for him. I set his fanny pack up with all the essentials.  Bug Spray, Sun Screen, Reel oil etc. All three came in the same neat Little Pump Sprayer with the pocket clip.

Nifty Nifty Nifty unless your a 13 year old who sprays himself the whole day with deet instead of sun screen. I was on him all day to make sure he kept sun screen on and in a tone a only a 13 year old can use he let me know he was keeping it on. Lets just say Deet or reel oil not sure which does not work as sun screen. 9 hrs on the river leads to a pretty bad burn.

Call me embarrassed when I figured it out. Mom was not happy with either of us. I was a failure as parental unit for letting this happen.  Cry

The moral of the story READ BEFORE YOU PUMP.  In my sons case he is autistic so he could not tell the difference. He was just pumping away.
I have also started using electrical heat shrink in colors to let him know what he is using.

I love the pumps they work great. Just be warned to pay attention to what your pumping if you use more than one product.
  
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   I'll BET that's not the first time someone has mixed up similar pump spray containers, autistic or not.
  I use Bullfrog Bullfrog Mosquito coast Sunblock and Repellent in one.
  It's water/sweat proof and doesn't contain DEET.
I carry 100% Deet for worse case scenarios, but the Bullfrog will do the trick most of the time and having then combined simplifies things.
  I don't want to be bitten alive or burned while on a trip. Either one or both can make for a miserable time Sad
  
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I have had great luck with Ben's Max 100 (100% Deet) available from Campmor for $5.99. It comes in a pump spray bottle that will last a whole trip. It comes in a bright orange color ... just in case you put it down and forget where you put it. Don't need much as it is 100% deet. Very effective against the worst mosquito situations.  Given the high concentration ...keep away from eyes. I like to put it in a very small plastic bag in case it leaks.  Best to wash hands very well if you plan to go fishing. There is a lingering odor that I am sure fish find offensive.

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I tell you what, if that DEET leaks the plastic bag won't do much, the DEET will literally dissolve it.
  
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Kerry- you are right. Deet will eventually eat away and dissolve the plastic. Thats why I try to limit my applications of 100% Deet to my skin. I probably lost a few layers of skin over the years puttin' on bug dope.
  
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I'm all for organizing your gear the way you see fit, but I do think there may be another factor here that may or may not be a concern Undecided

Depending on your body weight, layers of clothes and gear you hang on your person, will your choice of PFD keep you supported when needed?

You add the weight of your choice of footwear that may or may not fill with water and you could easily be outfitting yourself to the point of  being unsafe?

I keep a lot of gear for a " ditch" in the pockets of my Cabelas mesh PFD. When I bought the vest, I loaded it up and wearing my usual springtime paddling wear, I went for a dip in the local lake. I weigh between 185-200 lbs depending on season/workout regime.

I wear water-shoes with the Brookie Knee Highs. I floated okay IF I had them cinched tight at knee, but if they filled with water, I bobbed like a cork even in calm water. With wind and waves I would have to roll them down to ankles or remove them altogether IF the cinch didn't keep the water out.

I love the vest and adjusted the ditch gear accordingly. I was also at 200 lbs which is higher that normal for me.

It might pay to add your belt gear weight up and substituting waterproof weights, go for a test swim wearing your paddling clothes/footwear and PFD of choice.

Might prove illuminating depending on your weight, gear/clothes/footwear worn and choice of PFD Wink

  
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Mastertangler, after reading your write up I got one of those smoke jumpers belt too. I like it all except for the velcro set up that secures the end of the belt. As near as I can tell the buckle will hold it's place without the end of the belt being secured. I'm tempted to remove those velcro patches, may I ask do you still use the velcro setup? I guess I'm just a crank but I have never liked the stuff.
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Oldie Moldy wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 1:40am:
Mastertangler, after reading your write up I got one of those smoke jumpers belt too. I like it all except for the velcro set up that secures the end of the belt. As near as I can tell the buckle will hold it's place without the end of the belt being secured. I'm tempted to remove those velcro patches, may I ask do you still use the velcro setup? I guess I'm just a crank but I have never liked the stuff.
Best Wishes, Rob


Geez.......I love the stuff. I like the speed and infinite adjustability. I had another belt which worked by friction to hold its place but it was always coming loose by the end of the day. I also like that there is no loose ends and I can secure the end of the belt quickly and easily OVER my pants belt loops.......I'm all about no hassle (it is amazing I put up with the sport of fishing which is just another word for hassle  Wink )

ST.......as per the added weight of my belt gear. Lets see, bear spray(1lb), steri pen, camera, seal pup knife, water bottle all within reach (ahhhhh  Smiley )........Yikes, I had to get rid of the ninja throwing darts  Wink

OK.......I know you are being serious, and you make an excellent observation well worth consideration. Being an average sized guy at 185 I wouldn't think an extra 5lbs around the mid section would matter all that much.........(I put that on during a big meal  Grin ) I wouldn't want to have that gear on without the 35lbs of buoyancy the Mustang inflatable provides that is for sure.

Actually my greatest concern with the stuff on my belt is an entanglement issue with the side straps on my seat. I intend to sew some mesh material in place to alleviate that potential.

  
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