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Cold weather paddling boots
Apr 25th, 2011 at 5:04pm
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Okay, so here’s yet another thread on paddling footwear.  For summer, which is when I do the bulk of my paddling, I’m set for footwear (NRS Abyss on the water and Keen H2Os for camp) but as I’m starting to get into more shoulder season trips, particularly mid to late October outings, I’m needing something water proof.  There are a number of knee high, neoprene type boots and I’m wondering if any of you have used any of these or could recommend something.  I’m looking for something that will keep my feet dry, relatively warm, are reasonably flexible (I do most of my paddling seated but in wind or surf like to kneel), durable and something I can portage in – cost is less of an issue if the boots do the job.  These are the ones I’m considering: (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
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I’m a little dubious about the Neosport boots, they look a little clunky but the Chotas, Kokatat and NRS boots all look like they could fit the bill.  If you’ve worn any or all of these I’d certainly appreciate the benefit of your experience.
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Reply #1 - Apr 25th, 2011 at 5:41pm
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Not a boot, but I'm a big fan of the Brookie Knee-high neoprene socks.
I wear either a liner sock under them alone, of if water is particularly cold, and thin Merino wool sock over the liner.
They run full size, but in my opinion run big.
I wear a 10 1/2 EE shoe, but use the size 10 Brookies.
They come up to knee and have a cinch strap to secure.
Depending on the volume/fit of your warm weather shoes, they might fit them. I buy discontinued Teva style low cut water shoes and will buy a 11-11 1/2 to accommodate the bulk.
I seal the exterior seams with seam sealer to keep the abrasion of the stitching at a minimum.
I like the fact that if the day heats up, you can roll them down like fireman's boots to air your lower leg/feet if needed.
Very flexible, so kneeling is comfortable.
Just something a little different to consider if your of the mind Wink
  
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Reply #2 - Apr 25th, 2011 at 6:29pm
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I have a version of the Chota (Nunavut II, a predecessor to the current design).  The uppers appear to be the same, but the sole is completely different.  For older versions, they employed a lugged sole in the same material as the bottom section of the boot.  So, based on this difference, I can't say anything about the durability of the sole.  The soles of my boots (bought around 2005) are still in reasonably good shape, given that I've tripped in them nearly every year since they were purchased.

The uppers are the same ... neoprene on the outside; fleece on the inside.  This combination is very warm.  You can stand in icy water (which I've done while fishing from shore for hours) and not feel a thing.  However, being that warm, my feet will have a tendency to get wet from perspiration.  The good news is that the tops  are sufficiently pliable that you can turn them down (like fireman's boots).  The Nunavut version are brown and tan, but even with the lighter color, they are still warm in the sunshine.

The other thing to consider is what to do should you dump in deep water.  It is doubtful that you could swim in these boots if filled with water.  So my recommendation is to loosen the lacing as you depart from shore, just in case.  If you point your toe, they will slide off relatively easy.  You will need the boots laced tight for portaging so they stay on if you should have to traverse boot sucking mud.  You may still have to raise your toes just a bit to make sure they don't slide off.

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Reply #3 - Apr 25th, 2011 at 10:17pm
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Ditto what DD said.  They do not have arch support or ankle protection.  I wore them 1-1-11 while paddling the Chicago River.  At the end I got out in 1 foot deep water and moved some logs out of the way to clear the landing.  I did not feel water on my feet.  When I got to the car my feet were moist from sweat.
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 25th, 2011 at 10:47pm
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These are my choice for cold water paddling and portaging. The most significant factor in my choice was fit. I could literally walk all day in these boots with no ill effects. I reluctantly bought these knowing that water would be too cold to wet foot wich I prefer but after 20 days of rigorous tripping including some bushwhacking I really do like these boots and I also like dry feet at the end of a cold day. Swimming in them????? I doubt it, but then consider all of the other junk you'll be wearing on a cold day including your PFD. Better I think to kick them off if swimming is necessary.
  
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Reply #5 - Apr 26th, 2011 at 2:37pm
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I know several who love the neoprene socks for cold weather & wet-footing to get in/out of the canoe.  I am not one of them.

I have bad feet & must wear orthotic inserts constantly.  My footwear must have a solid sole/shank.  Mukluk styles do not work for me.

I wear LLBean 16" Maine Hunting Shoe.  It's not 100% waterproof.  Some water leaks through the stitching where the tonge+upper meets the footbox.  I wouldn't do a lot of wading as the boot will eventually fill, but for stepping in/out & portaging they're great.  Warmth is achieved with quality socks, liner sock + wooly sock.
  
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Reply #6 - Apr 27th, 2011 at 8:05pm
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Like Preacher, I typically wear 16" LL Bean Hunting Boots. However, three years ago on a late Oct./early Nov. trip I wore a pair of lightweight Muck Boots and they worked great. Very good support, warm, 100% waterproof, no laces to collect mud, they wash off easily and you can tuck your pants inside to keep them from getting wet. Even though they have a very snug fit around the ankle, the one thing I don't know is how well they'll stay on in a boot sucking mud pit. Depending on the forecast I may wear them again on our spring trip in a few weeks. If I do, and considering our trip will involve several nasty, muddy portages, I could have that answer really soon. 

  
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Reply #7 - Apr 27th, 2011 at 10:42pm
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q_k,

If the boot sucking muck becomes a problem, you could take a one of these and make makeshift straps, under the instep against the heel, and over the top of in-step.

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You could also get some of that industrial strength Velcro and make some ankle straps similar to Cabelas Bog Buster hip boots.
  
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Reply #8 - Apr 27th, 2011 at 10:54pm
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ST -
Great idea and nifty looking product. I also like the website image for lashing paddles while portaging. I typically use those small 10" bungies which have some drawbacks.
  
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Reply #9 - Apr 27th, 2011 at 10:59pm
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Once you get/use the Bungee Dealee Bobs, you'll wonder how you got by without them. One of the cleverest/useful items you'll ever find.
I have about a dozen, hanging off my day-pack loops. I use them for things I would never of imagined before I got them Cool
  
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Reply #10 - Apr 28th, 2011 at 12:27am
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I agree.  I use something similar from Chota (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
and I honestly don't know how I got on without them.  Actually now that I look at the price of those dealy bobs, the chota ones are about the same price (5 cents cheaper for 4) and look to be better quality.
  
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Reply #11 - Apr 28th, 2011 at 4:37pm
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Kerry,

I'm curious :question
Do you have the Dealee Bob's too.
From picture on link, I can't tell much difference other than the Bob's have that little tubular crosspiece that the lock secures against.

Does the Chota product come in colors? That's a plus for me with the Bob's, you drop one, you can probably find it easy enough.
  
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Reply #12 - Apr 28th, 2011 at 7:36pm
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I use the Chota ones, too. They're great for lashing your fishing gear or an extra paddle to a thwart. But I've only seen them in black. Other guys in my group have the dealee bobs. I would say they're very similar in functionality, although you make a good point about colors, ST.
  
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solotripper wrote on Apr 28th, 2011 at 4:37pm:
Kerry,

I'm curious :question
Do you have the Dealee Bob's too.
From picture on link, I can't tell much difference other than the Bob's have that little tubular crosspiece that the lock secures against.

Does the Chota product come in colors? That's a plus for me with the Bob's, you drop one, you can probably find it easy enough.


I don't have the Dealee Bob's so I'm only going by the pictures.  It seems like the Chota ones are finished a little better that's all.  But Mulelars has seen them both up close so his opinion is the one that counts.  And, like Henry Ford's Model T, you can get the Chota's in any color of the rainbow as long as its black.
  
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db wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 4:46am:
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Those look like they might work, db.  I also discovered that Kokatat makes these: (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) which also look good.  I'm thinking a good waterprooknee high sock that I can wear under my boot of choice might actually be a better solution (and cheaper) than purchasing a whole new water proof boot or mukluk.
  
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Reply #16 - Apr 30th, 2011 at 4:18am
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I picked up a pair of NRS boundary socks (neoprene....just below the knee) a while back so I could wet foot it in Lake Superior but I was super sweaty within minutes of putting those things on. I'll still give them a go but I'm suspicious and think a boot would be money better spent.
  
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Reply #17 - Apr 30th, 2011 at 5:51am
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In cold weather/water they may not get so sweaty, especially with wet boots and a breeze.
  
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db wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 4:46am:
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At 33.00 a pair these look to be ideal if they perform.
  
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The thing that looks good about the Kokatat socks is that they are made of some kind of Gortex type material.  They guarentee them to be waterproof but they also breathe.  However they are twice as expensive as the neoprene type socks.  On the other hand they're half as a expensive as full boots.
  
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I've never used the socks I linked to. They just looked like a decent option.

I use 13" (I think) regular GT socks. That height is all I need at landings. Portages can be another story in Spring but overall that height works for me. If it's cold or rainy and I have my rain pants on, I can tighten the neoprene cuffs around the socks and it's like I'm wearing waders but I'd welcome any reviews on over-the-calf type waterproof breathables. Big clunky boots are no fun IMO.
  
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the sealskinz also advertise waterproof and breathable. not sure how. doesn't say gortex...
"P3 Sports Socks...
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   * 100% Waterproof and Highly Breathable"
  
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Reply #22 - May 1st, 2011 at 9:23pm
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zski wrote on May 1st, 2011 at 4:03am:
the sealskinz also advertise waterproof and breathable. not sure how. doesn't say gortex...
"P3 Sports Socks...
   * Unique 3 layer technology
   * 100% Waterproof and Highly Breathable"


'Goretex' is a trademarked name. To get around that, they described 'goretex' without using the word, 'goretex'. Shocked
  
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Reply #23 - May 2nd, 2011 at 5:05pm
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Old Salt wrote on May 1st, 2011 at 9:23pm:
zski wrote on May 1st, 2011 at 4:03am:
the sealskinz also advertise waterproof and breathable. not sure how. doesn't say gortex...
"P3 Sports Socks...
   * Unique 3 layer technology
   * 100% Waterproof and Highly Breathable"


'Goretex' is a trademarked name. To get around that, they described 'goretex' without using the word, 'goretex'. Shocked

Maybe it's eVent?  I had heard rumours that GoreTex employed draconian measures with their retaillers to prevent eVent from being well known.
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