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Careful of the heat!
Reply #30 - Jul 29th, 2011 at 10:09pm
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marlin55388 wrote on Jul 29th, 2011 at 8:46pm:
Sorry, this might seem off topic but we're here The heat/hot thing is maybe the really hiccup in this area. Being over heated plan sucks and is really pretty hard on yah; just as bad cold or worse in my book. Acclimation makes all the difference in the world. I am in the heat everyday, no AC at home either; I am acclimated. For those that get AC'd everyday all day your not. So dawning another layer when your hot and not use to the work gets yah hotter; go swimming, wet a bandana and put on the your neck, drink the water, and don't forget to practice the wet entry especially if your soloing.

Well, I hit the "wall" this year on my WCPP.  I literally reach the point on the last day of portaging (9 ports that day with the longest being 168 rods) where I could no longer put one foot in front of the other.  After days of not having a dry stitch of clothing on (I SWEAT, I don't perspire), knocking back well over a gallon of water a day while moving (and more at the campsite overnight) I reached the point where I just had to lay down and rest for a while before I could proceed.  You know its time when nausea and dizziness hits you that you've reached your limit.  So despite being wet, despite frequent plunges, despite the fact that I get out and walk for miles in the heat when its 95 or hotter outside, sometimes you are going to reach the point where you are all in.  I guess the tipping point could have been that I did part of the last portage in pouring rain ... meaning the humidity was REALLY high, so I wasn't sweating enough to keep cool.

Luckily I was traveling with a partner on this trip.  He was a great help in finishing the last portage and setting up camp.  My goal was to strip to my skivvies and walk out into neck deep water and just stay there a while, which I did.  I then strung my nylon string hammock and laid out in the shade for an hour with breezes blowing on me.

Yet, after all that I still had liquid running out both ends after I got up an hour later.  I went to "nap" in my tent at 5:00 and arose to grab a snack at 9:30 and went right back to bed.  Still, fully rested the next morning, I was again exhausted by the time we finished a 6 hour paddle to the take-out (the paddle in was more like 3 hours ... it was WINDY!).

So, be careful of the heat.  It can grab you quick and lay you low!  BUT, I was wearing my PFD all the time!

dd

BTW:  We shared a lunch stop with the park portage clearing crew on the way out.  The leader shared that he had made the sat. phone call back to park headquarters concerning whether or not they should fly him out because of heat exhaustion.  Luckily his younger counterpart's mom had required him to pack some electrolytes for just such a problem, so that "saved" a plane ride for the leader.  The leader was seasoned veteran of the park service and probably wasn't 50.  So, it wasn't my advanced age or physical condition alone that put me over the edge.  From now on, I'm packing electrolytes!
  
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Reply #31 - Jul 30th, 2011 at 2:34am
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... heat exhaustion side topic continued in "General BW/Q Discussion" ...
  
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Reply #32 - Jul 30th, 2011 at 1:30pm
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Cool DD!
  
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Reply #33 - Jul 30th, 2011 at 5:16pm
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marlin55388 wrote on Jul 28th, 2011 at 6:35pm:
...more than ya can say about those government mandated air bags.


Actually, my now 19-year old son probably would not be alive if it weren't for the side airbags on our former Honda Civic.  He was T-boned at 50 mph one evening a couple years ago by running a red light while looking at his cell phone.  He recalls looking up and seeing the headlights of an SUV plow into his driver's side window in the middle of the intersection.  Had he been driving my little 92 Toyota pick-up with no airbags, I'm pretty sure he'd be dead today...

Agree about the versatility of the PFD, and sometimes even wear one while canoeing...not often, but when I feel the need for extra safety...airbags are another matter and in my book are a must for teen drivers...
  
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Reply #34 - Jul 30th, 2011 at 5:52pm
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DentonDoc wrote on Jul 29th, 2011 at 10:09pm:
...Well, I hit the "wall" this year on my WCPP.  I literally reach the point on the last day of portaging (9 ports that day with the longest being 168 rods) where I could no longer put one foot in front of the other...I reached the point where I just had to lay down and rest for a while before I could proceed.  You know its time when nausea and dizziness hits you that you've reached your limit...So, be careful of the heat.  It can grab you quick and lay you low!  BUT, I was wearing my PFD all the time!
dd


I found that "wall" 2 weeks ago during the Death March out of Delahey.  It was 90, sunny, humid, with no wind.  I drank 2 liters of water before starting and had 2 liters with me.  Not enough.  I literally fell over with the canoe on the second leg as I reached the little pond midway on the 1.5 mile leg.  The canoe hit a 2-in birch sapling left of the trail dead on.  It must have bent away and then snapped back, sending me and the canoe to the ground.  Can't recall the last time that ever happened.  Just before the pond, I reach several rock boulders/faces that needed to be climbed up and over.  But when I tried to take the canoe off to rest, the yoke pad caught my head and next thing I knew the canoe was banging off the rocks and I was sprawled on my back to the left of the trail.  Thankfully, nothing was busted or sprained.  When I reached the pond, I sat in the shade for a good twenty min and even after the rest, my heart rate was still 120 beats per minute and I was sweating like a pig.  Ate a little trail mix, drank some more water, and triple portaged the rest of the Death March.  I recall paddling towards the last portage into Conmee and I could barely move my arms to move the yak paddle...really weird feeling. 

It took me 8 hours to reach Suzanette, 6.5 hours was on the portage trail.  At the campsite, I unloaded the gear, sat in the water for a bit, then sat in my camp chair in the shade for about 75 minutes, just staring and soaking in the scenery.  Never felt dizzy or nauseous, just hot, very tired, and relieved the day was almost over.  Finally ate a PBJ sandwich with some gatorade and felt a little better.  Just before heading into the tent for the night, I recorded on my digital voice recorder I bring on solo trips: "Today was a bitch.  Hardest damn day I've ever had canoeing.  I'm 2/3 thirds of the way done with this tough physical trip...not sure I'm enjoying it that much.  I'm very achy, shoulders and back.  Not sure I'll ever do that Death March again without the boys or a partner."

As for my PFD, I didn't wear it all that day...I was too dang hot.
  
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Reply #35 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 3:33pm
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BillConner wrote on Jul 29th, 2011 at 6:23pm:
Been following this with interest.  I'm in the group that doesn't usually wear a PFD - but I'm always in a group and have always been in Quetico when water was not especially cold and I could easily be in it for long time. No that I'm trying solo in a month,  I've sort of been thinking that I might want to wear a PFD.  My primary objection has been how hot and sweaty they make me, but then I've only ever had the basic Stearns vest. Someone point me to better choices?   Hoping I can avoid the $200+ variety that inflate but they may be the answer for comfort.  Thanks.


I run this. I hate being hot and feeling restricted. This vest is super comfortable and the pockets are really handy for a mini-ditch kit. I've worn just a sleeveless T-shirt in 90+ weather and seen no signs of chafing at all. I think you could go shirtless if you wanted and still be safe and comfortable.
Won't belabor the whole PFD thing. Just want to say that choosing not to wear one in a group setting is far different than in a solo one. Expect the best, plan for worse when alone is a mantra that will serve you well.
These are on sale now in Cabelas Bargain cave. I doubt you'll be disappointed Wink

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Reply #36 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 3:57pm
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solotripper wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 3:33pm:
...I run this. I hate being hot and feeling restricted. This vest is super comfortable and the pockets are really handy for a mini-ditch kit...These are on sale now in Cabelas Bargain cave. I doubt you'll be disappointed Wink

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Hi, ST.  I actually bought this vest based on a recommendation I think you provided last year.  It is quite comfortable and I like the velcro pockets for a small ditch kit.  Still, on most paddling days, I don't wear it.  Now, it is right behind my seat should anything go awry.  When the wind and waves are up, I'll put it on.  It is indeed a good, inexpensive, lightweight pfd for canoe trips.
  
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Reply #37 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 6:53pm
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Hi, ST.  I actually bought this vest based on a recommendation I think you provided last year.  It is quite comfortable and I like the velcro pockets for a small ditch kit.  Still, on most paddling days, I don't wear it.  Now, it is right behind my seat should anything go awry.  When the wind and waves are up, I'll put it on.  It is indeed a good, inexpensive, lightweight pfd for canoe trips.


I'm glad you like the vest, but my take is that like a seatbelt it's only good worn before you have a problem.
Let's assume for a minute your paddling on a calm day, maybe across a big expanse of water. For whatever reason you find yourself in the drink.
Even without wind and waves, try and put that PFD on Embarrassed
Try it yourself. Go to the nearest lake, dump your canoe and try to put that vest on. You'll be surprised how hard it is to do. Now imagine a little breeze pushing it out of your reach? All of a sudden your a long way from shore with a swamped canoe and wondering if you can right it or push it to shore? Maybe you can, but having a PFD keeping you buoyant would mean more energy left for getting you back in your boat.
On the hottest days, I'll leave the PFD unzipped but waist straps snug enough it can't come off. I'd sooner canoe solo buck-ass naked wearing my PFD, than go without.
Fortunately I've never been that warm and you guys can rest easy on that Grin
  
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Reply #38 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 8:47pm
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solotripper wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 6:53pm:
[quote]I'm glad you like the vest, but my take is that like a seatbelt it's only good worn before you have a problem.


My seatbelt comes in handy "after the fact".   Copper turns around...seatbelt goes on!   I think MN is up to about $120-150 for no belt.
  
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Reply #39 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 10:05pm
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wally wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 8:47pm:
solotripper wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 6:53pm:
[quote]I'm glad you like the vest, but my take is that like a seatbelt it's only good worn before you have a problem.


My seatbelt comes in handy "after the fact".   Copper turns around...seatbelt goes on!   I think MN is up to about $120-150 for no belt.

  I stand corrected Wally Grin
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