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PFD thoughts
Jul 17th, 2011 at 4:17am
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I suspect many folks don't wear a PFD because they are uncomfortable. I tend to agree and that is why I went with an inflatable. After my recent "awkward moment" where I found myself most unexpectedly in the drink I can suggest their effectiveness first hand.

I always have it on and feel incomplete with out it on. Nice thing about it is I forget I have it on because it is so comfortable. I started out with a pull cord model. These are good but since I also use it on power boats I opted for a hydrostatic model when I decided that anyone on my boat had to wear a PFD so now I have 2. I wear the hydrostatic model whenever I am on the water. It will not activate due to rain, only water pressure will do the job. I have a mustang hydrostatic model and it is rated for offshore work with 35lbs of flotation. It is what the U.S. coast guard wears as well as many state DNR officers. Like I said you don't even know you are wearing it.

Price is a consideration. The pull cord models will run you about 100 bucks and the hydrostatic ones double that. The re-arm kit will also set you back. The re-arm for the hydrostatic was 80 bucks. They claim at least 5 years and there is a green circle letting you know you are good to go. Red is bad........

I had thought it would be prudent to have a re-arm kit with me but after becoming familiar with the model I have I think it not a must. The reason being is that there is an air stem that pops up more or less near your face when the breakaway zipper pops when it is armed. After letting out all the air to re-arm I decided to blow the bladder up and was surprised at just how few breaths it took. I'll hold onto the boat and blow it up in the unlikely event I ever dump twice on the same trip. Naturally it is a one way valve and needs to be depressed to release the air.

Anyway, this may be an option for some who, like me, detest the thought of wearing a bulky life jacket and probably would just set it aside. I was very glad to have had mine on as I was surprised at just how deep in the water I was until it inflated and popped me right up. Nice!
  
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Re: PFD thoughts
Reply #1 - Jul 18th, 2011 at 4:09pm
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As a solo tripper I take a zero tolerance approach with myself.  I only wear it on the days I want to live.

Wear it, regardless of what you buy.  If you don't, then if you dump you really do deserve the results be they a soaking, injury or death.  Have a thought for those that love & care for you, at least the ones you love in return.

I'm a big fan of passive solutions for saving my life.  If you have to push a button or pull a cord to make it work, it's less than ideal.  Better than nothing, but not as good as something that works regardless of your state.  If you hit your head & are not thinking straight or out cold, what good is that pfd?  You wouldn't bungie jump while the operator says, "You go ahead, I tie the rope off as you fall, don't worry, I won't be late." 

There's a commercial going around of all the stuff a particular car does in the event of an accident.  Really well done for illustrating how we're not thinking of anything other than, "Oh crap!  Oh crap!  Oh crap!"

You get what you pay for.  A $20 pfd is likely bulky & uncomfortable to wear and might not last a long time.  $100 will last & be comfortable enough to wear.

My preference is for a kayak style, more flexibility.

On a hot day I like to turn mine upside down & wear like shorts for swimming.  I can just sit there and bob on the water, toss a ball around.

It's exactly like seatbelts in cars and helmets for motorcyclists. 

Any deaths that result from not wearing a PFD is gene pool maintenance.  I'm always sorry for the survivors of the deceased, but in reality we're all better off without those defective genes.
  
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Re: PFD thoughts
Reply #2 - Jul 18th, 2011 at 4:40pm
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Preacher wrote on Jul 18th, 2011 at 4:09pm:
<SNIP>Any deaths that result from not wearing a PFD is gene pool maintenance.  I'm always sorry for the survivors of the deceased, but in reality we're all better off without those defective genes.

Is it just me or does that paragraph seem to negate all the ones above it?

I wear my seatbelt all the time while I've worn a helmet just twice in my life. When I have my PFD on, it mean's I'm out of my comfort zone - afraid of what could happen. Buying a cycle is the first sign of insanity. Helmet, boots, leather to go with are only reminders that you are taking on a larger risk. Think of that next time you're in the shower. Got helmet? You could fall and drown ya-know!
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 18th, 2011 at 5:15pm
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Preacher I'm with you on not having to think to pull a cord. Fall out of a powerboat and you just might hit your head.......hence my choice for a hydrostatic model. When I went in I didn't even think about my PFD or pulling a cord or anything...........I was still sizing things up when it went off.

I give the guys on bikes more credit than me. You couldn't pay me to ride one given how OTHER people drive. Helmet and leather might make a difference in some cases. But as DB pointed out it might just be a false sense of security.
  
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Re: PFD thoughts
Reply #4 - Jul 18th, 2011 at 6:28pm
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Have a thought for those that love & care for you, at least the ones you love in return.


My feelings about PFD's are well known here. I respect other's choices even if I strongly disagree.

I have no death wish but my thought's on wearing a PFD have more to do with Preachers comment than saving my own skin.

I'd add this thought to his one. I would never want someone to lose their life trying to save mine because I got in a position I needed that PFD and didn't have it on.

A few weeks ago, 2 people drowned at the base of a small dam on the Huron River in Milford MI. Two high school guys in kayaks paddled up to the base even though the area is clearly marked as extremely dangerous. The got to close and were dumped and in the washing machine. One had a PFD on, but it wasn't fitted properly and was torn from him. The other didn't have one on at all.

There's a little park near there were people fish and picnic.
A 40 something local guy who knew the danger as he was an experienced kayak-er dove in and drowned trying to save them. One of the kids was rescued by other by-standers.

The selfless would be rescuer left a wife and children. The rescued teen lost his best friend and will forever have the guilt of knowing his poor decision along with his buddies cost one of them their lives and the life of the brave man who tried to respond.

That happens more often than not. Some brave soul dies, saving someone who either lacked the common sense to protect themselves or decided they would risk the odds.

Of course once in harms way, you never hear someone shout " It's all right, I'll accept the consequences of my actions, don't risk you life for me." More often than not, they're crying HELP louder than anyone else Sad

IMHO there are things worse in this life than death. Living with the guilt of your actions or should I say non-actions would be for me, worse than dying itself.

  
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Re: PFD thoughts
Reply #5 - Jul 18th, 2011 at 10:00pm
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Preacher wrote on Jul 18th, 2011 at 4:09pm:
Any deaths that result from not wearing a PFD is gene pool maintenance.  I'm always sorry for the survivors of the deceased, but in reality we're all better off without those defective genes.

I understand the point.  However defective genes would be a lifelong defect.  Many a gene-healthy teenager and 20 somethings will eventually gain respect for the fragility of life and start donning things like PFD's, helmets, seatbelts.  This exponentially increases after gaining a sense of the responsibility of family.  I well remember mother harping the seatbelt issue.  It eventually happened and I am grateful to her.  It does no harm to harp the PFD issue here.

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Reply #6 - Jul 19th, 2011 at 3:15pm
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Yellowbird wrote on Jul 18th, 2011 at 10:00pm:
I understand the point.  However defective genes would be a lifelong defect.  Many a gene-healthy teenager and 20 somethings will eventually gain respect for the fragility of life and start donning things like PFD's, helmets, seatbelts.  This exponentially increases after gaining a sense of the responsibility of family.  I well remember mother harping the seatbelt issue.  It eventually happened and I am grateful to her.  It does no harm to harp the PFD issue here.

-YB

Heehee.  This illustrates the typical situation.  The older generation says, "Seatbelts?!?!?!  How dare the guberment force me to wear one!"  The younger generation says, "Hey, good idea.  A tool that lets me walk away from something that would kill the tool who rejects its use."  Occasionally someone demonstrates the need for the rule. 
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Heh, helmet in the shower.  Funny stuff db.  Completely & ridiculously invalid, but funny!


I think at the core is the misconception that we are only individuals.  That nobody depends on us.  That nobody cares about us.  That nobody would be affected by our untimely deaths.  Wholly solipsist & selfish.
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 19th, 2011 at 7:04pm
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hate to put a "dent" into ST's good intentioned post, but that MI incident was not a good example of why you should wear a PFD.  In all likelihood, the attempted rescuer died BECAUSE he was wearing a PFD, and the one teenager who survived did so because he WAS NOT wearing a PFD.

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Caught in the recirculating current of a low-head dam, the only way "out" is to dive down to the bottom where the current along the bottom will take you downstream - that's hard to do if you are wearing a PFD (I have read of several accounts where someone had to ditch the pfd in order to escape).  The teen who "blacked out" likely stopped trying to stay on top and the current flushed him out.  Supposedly the rescuer was an "experienced" paddler who knew the risks, but I doubt that he fully understood what he was getting himself into, and had a false sense of security because he was wearing the PFD (Not taking anything away from the guy's effort, but it was the wrong thing to do - about the only way to rescue someone from a recirclulating current entrapment is to throw them a rope while keeping yourself out of the trap - otherwise, you are just another victim)

I happened to be looking at a summary of the AWA accident reports for this year to date, and dug a bit deeper into that MI incident just because I happened to be curious. (this is river/whitewater reported accidents only - does not include lakes).  So far of 53 drownings, 16 involved no pfd, or one worn too loosely (at least one, maybe two instances of being flushed out of the pfd) - while this is primarily high water Cl IV/V incidents (some at only CII), it just reinforces the point that wearing a PFD is not a substitute for good sense, and knowing when to go and when to not go.  I would assume that none of the people who drowned while wearing a pfd (mostly flush drownings, pinned in strainers, etc) would have gone on the same run if they did not have the pfd on.  Notwithstanding the fact that there are hundreds or thousands of cases where a pfd did save someone, it is not a guarantee  of your safety - keep that in mind.
  
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Reply #8 - Jul 19th, 2011 at 9:07pm
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M_M,

I get what your saying. I agree, nothing does take the place of common sense.

MI doesn't have any true White Water rivers, at least in the Lower Half. I believe there are a few in the Upper Peninsula.
The spot they drowned in even though marked as being a dangerous area and is turbulent compared to the rest of the area, still isn't what inexperienced people would consider White Water. Most flat water paddlers would never think it was so dangerous if not for the signs which are well posted there.
Like you, I also doubt the would be rescuer who died wearing the PFD was aware of what your talking about, or he wouldn't of went in there. From your post, it doesn't appear he was an " experienced" white water paddler but I don't know that for sure? Maybe being a Father he just acted on a parents instinct to protect a child.
I'm was not familiar with those conditions either, but your post changes that. I've made it this far in life by reading signs and giving them the respect they deserve.
Bottom line is the two teens used poor judgment and the brave but mis-guided rescuer payed for their mistake with his life.
I'd like to think that wearing a PFD is a sign that you have good judgment and think before you act.
  Your post proves that's only wishful thinking on my part as a PFD is no guarantee of survival in all conditions.
Still, for the vast majority of drowning incidents it's the prudent choice, especially so in the conditions we encounter in the BW/Q.
Now I know when to take it off IF I'm ever caught in such a predicament.
I feel the worst for the poor guy who drowned trying to help. I've been in that position in the Q, watching 3 guys struggle with only 1 wearing a PFD in turbulent/frigid May water.

I knew better than go out there solo but it took all of my common sense to control my natural urge to help someone that needed it. Thankfully in my story, they made it out alive.
Maybe they should mark the inside of PFD's with the following " No substitute for common sense".
Problem is 99% of the people who's lack of common sense/sound judgment got them in trouble would tell you THEY have it and put the blame on someone/thing other than themselves Sad
 
  
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Reply #9 - Jul 19th, 2011 at 11:14pm
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It's my dumb and my family if I choose to go without.  But Preacher, would you come over to my house and "fix" all the dumb things I do?


PFD's only guarantee they'll find your stiff, STUPID ass floating.
  
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