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Loading data into Garmin GPS units
Jul 24th, 2011 at 2:35am
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My head is spinning; I just finished trying to digest a 10-page thread from the archive, essentially on getting data onto your GPS.  You old-timers know exactly which thread I'm speaking of:  (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links).  Started in Sept '04 and ended in Feb '07.  Viewed 8847 times.  That's got to be a record for a topic without bugs or bears. 

My question is:  is what was said back then pretty much current?  I've got nice Memory Map stuff on my computer with data from the PCD.  And I have a Garmin GPS, as does my stepson.  I understand from that archived thread, that we basically have two choices:  EITHER spend $$$ for the Garmin Maps and use available free software to take care of adding the campsites, portages, tracks onto the Garmin, where they blend together.  OR spend $$$ getting the Memory Map upgrades so you can do all the work in Memory Map on your computer and then export the data in such a way that you can then import it into Garmin.

Do I have it right?  Is that where we still are?  And if that is where we still are, can you guys tell me where I am better off putting my money:  in the Memory Map upgrade or in the Garmin topos?    Undecided
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 24th, 2011 at 3:06am
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I'd say the most seamless way to get maps on your Garmin is to use Map Source software loaded with the appropriate topo maps.  You should then be able to add "layers" to those topo maps in the form of portages, campsites, etc.

After that is accomplished on your computer, transferring the info to your GPS is a relatively simple operation.

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Reply #2 - Jul 24th, 2011 at 4:33am
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Thanks, DD.  I kind of expected that was going to be the recommendation, but I wanted someone with more knowledge than I have to confirm it. 
   My mom and dad raised me to be generous with others and reluctant to spend on myself.  This is a wonderful opportunity to throw off the shackles and splurge.  Besides, if I invest a little in this trip, it increases the odds that I will be back frequently.  But, frankly, it feels weird.  Only a relatively few short years ago, I would have used the map one of the outfitters sent m way back when, and I would have had a very enjoyable trip with a $5.00 compass.  Feels like overkill.
  
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Re: Loading data into Garmin GPS units
Reply #3 - Jul 24th, 2011 at 6:06am
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Mountain_Paddler wrote on Jul 24th, 2011 at 4:33am:
Only a relatively few short years ago, I would have used the map one of the outfitters sent m way back when, and I would have had a very enjoyable trip with a $5.00 compass.  Feels like overkill.

$5.00 compass? A few years ago. Now you've piqued my interest but I'll go easy on you. What brand and store. Honestly, I'm really only half kidding. That's really all I need on a trip anymore but it's a problem when they lose their juice and you gotta wiggle and whack.

The sun still rises in the east and sent in the west right? (I should do a poll Grin)

We couldn't handle roughly anymore and a compass in the right hands is way better than a good map. Well, it use to be but that learning curve does sound way too steep if it's overkill.

What time do you want to get there and how much baggage would you like to check at the gate?

Ummm, don't take it personally. There's more where you come from. Try it! Once you figure it out, let 'em know before you loose interest.
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 24th, 2011 at 10:14am
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Well, I admit you caught me, db.   Embarrassed  "A few years ago" refers to an experience when I was 19 years old, so that was 51 years ago, when I was thinking of a possible BWCA trip for a group of 20.  The outfitter saw dollar signs and sent me a map to get my juices flowing. And the compass was primitive--just a pocket watch sort of thing with no base or anything.  Yeah, none of us is there any more; modern tech complicates life and makes it expensive, but we like it and spend the money.  All things considered, the good old days weren't all that good.
   However, let me stew in my juices.  My head just wasn't ready to spend that much $$$ right now.  Yes, once it's back on straight, later today, I'll be getting the map--using the higher speed connection I'm spending extra money for.  All to make sure that I don't have to retrace any more strokes than is necessary.  I was willing to do cheap and primitive when I was 19, but, you're right--all things considered, I really will end up liking my expensive toy with the expensive maps.  Just as I sometimes use my car's GPS just to get home!   Wink
   If you can explain to me why I can't get myself to give away that old pocket-watch compass, then I'll explain why I get nostalgic about the bad old days!
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 25th, 2011 at 4:38pm
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One of the things that was not clear from you posts is exactly what it is you want on your GPS.  If you want the campsite/portage data, that is one thing and can easily be done with free software.  If you want to copy actual maps, that gets complicated.  The cost is not for the software, it is for the electronic maps. garmin wants to make a profit so they have made it difficult to load anything but their maps onto their GPSes.  Now there is some software out there that people have written that allows free maps (topos) to be loaded into Gramin GPSes.  I am not sure of the state of that software but when I last looked, it was way to much work and too unreliable for me to mess with.

  
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Reply #6 - Jul 26th, 2011 at 4:26am
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azalea, you have a way of explaining things so that it makes sense.  Not a common trait.
   Following DD's advice, I did go ahead and buy the Garmin map.  This map doesn't come on a disk--either chip or download, and the new download technique from Garmin downloads it directly onto your GPS.  Initially, nothing goes on your computer except Garmin's "Connect" software.  Your GPS shows on "My Computer" as a drive, and like any other drive, you can view the filenames, sizes, etc., that are on your GPS.  Once your install is done, then you can download Garmin's "Basecamp" utility for free, and then use it to look at the map on your computer (similar to Memory Map with different file formats), add your waypoints and stuff into the Basecamp display, and then load that onto your GPS.  I'm still figuring out how to get the waypoints and other data into BaseCamp easily.
   It's not a bad system, but I did make one mistake, I think, and all of you who might be in the market for Garmin's Quetico maps can profit from my mistake.  My mistake was buying their "Inland Lakes - Boundary Waters" map, instead of just buying their Canada topo or their Central Canada topo.  The problem with the map I bought is that it has too much data on it and it clutters up the screen, and the biggest offender is that they have loaded onto their map most if not all the legacy campsite information--and as far as I can tell, there is no way to get off of that map all those sites that all of you have found not to really represent usable campsites.
   The campsites are represented on the map by little pup tent icons, and I will have to go through all of them and overlay another icon (exclamation point or something) onto those that the PCD shows are really usable campsites.  Or overlay an "X" or something over those that are not usable.
   I also have to figure out how the portage information on the PCD works--I think I'm comfortable now with the campsite data, but I really don't have a clue at this point how to figure out the GPS end-points of the portages from the PCD.  Can anyone steer me to one of the archived threads for information on this--I couldn't find it.
   And let me say it one more time briefly and clearly, in case you missed it above:  for those with access to the PCD, if you are in the market for a commercial Garmin map covering Quetico and if your primary interest is travel/camping by canoe, get one of their regular topo maps of the area; do not get their "Inland Lakes - Boundary Waters" map:  it's too cluttered with some irrelevant Legacy Forest data that I don't think can be removed.  If some of those pup-tent icons really can be removed, I sure would like to know about it.
  
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Re: Loading data into Garmin GPS units
Reply #7 - Aug 10th, 2011 at 2:21am
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This could be of interest to someone using Garmin Basecamp to mark portages. When I used the basecamp program to mark the entrance to portages in WCP I only marked the entrances based on the direction I was to travel. No need to mark the end of a portage or so I thought.

When my loop was redirected due to fire hazards in the park I ended up reversing my route. Yup, all my numbers quickly became irrelevant as they would now be marking the end of my portages rather than the start.

The solution as per my situation is to be able to compute numbers via the UTM grid on the topo map and plug them into the GPS manually if need be. Of course 2 sets of numbers marking start and finish might not be a bad idea especially since it is so easy to accomplish via the basecamp program......perhaps separated into 2 lists.

naturally all this was rendered moot as I barely got out of the starting gate but at the time I couldn't help but smile and wonder what else could go wrong (I also was delayed that morning due to a flat tire which had not 1 but 2 nails in a brand new tire Tongue )
  
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Reply #8 - Aug 10th, 2011 at 3:51am
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Its been SOP for several years to mark BOTH ends of the portage.  (I also use a small customized waypoint symbol to mark those ends.) This serves a number of purposes, not the least is being able to retrace your steps in the event you have to back out of part of your route (e.g., blocked by forest fire).  But there is another reason for doing it.  I've run into a few instances where the portage was marked (on one end) at the wrong location.  If one end is correct, and the length of the portage is not too long, you can make a stab at estimating where the portage might be based on the topography between the two bodies of water if you know where you are supposed to end up.

Hmm.  Flat tire!  I had one of those as I pulled into the Onnie parking lot last year (my shuttle driver taking me on to Leano was gracious enough to help me change it).  After my trip, I had it repaired in Red Lake before setting out on my trip home.  Mine was caused by what looked like a long screw for drywall (or maybe a screw used on some decking material).

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