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How to hang a foodpack
Sep 19th, 2011 at 1:58pm
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Sorry, I'm too lazy to figure out YouTube. My version of hanging the foodpack:
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Then, later of course, letting it down again:
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Grin

Hey, I was windbound on a small island in a light drizzle and had to amuse myself somehow.
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Reply #1 - Oct 17th, 2011 at 7:46am
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Here is a good example of how NOT TO hang a food pack. 
In the description below, the camper says that he normally stashed his food barell and was only using the rope to hang the current day's food - but when told of the approaching bears, he used the same rope to hang his barrel.

The rope must have been over some smaller branches or something, for the bear to be able to get that much slack into the system - also, running the rope above that rock, that was so convenient for the bear to use, to reach up and grab the rope was not a very good idea.  The only thing that really surprised me was that the bear had not yet learned to bite thru the rope - either that, or it was too tough to bite thru.  In any case, certainly not the perfect hanging technique.  Too bad for the "experiment", the bear wasn't able to get the barell to the ground so we could see if it was bearproof - looked to me like the bear couldn't get a grip on the barell the way it was hanging, and just got tired of standing up - likely headed down the lake to the next campsite looking for easier pickings.

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the vid you want is "Black Bear encounter on Knife Lake"

there is a link to this vid on CCR that included the following comments from the camper:


Andy and Marion,
A number of years ago I bought two of your 30L barrels for all of the canoe trips that I take into northern Minnesota, Canada and Alaska. They have worked wonderful over the years and I have never had any issues with animals until this year. We were in a campsite in the Boundary Waters Canoe area in northern Minnesota about dinnertime when a group of canoeists passed our site and told us that a sow and 3 cubs just left the next campsite over and were running along the shore straight towards our site. We were just about to eat so our barrel was sitting in camp. At lunch we had finished up the last of a small pack of food that we hung every night but we hadn't taken the foodpack rope down yet. So I thought a quick solution would be to hang the barrel (instead of take it back into the woods), get into the canoe and watch the bears pass on through our campsite. I have never hung a barrel but it seemed like the quickest solution. As you can see from the attached video the only thing that saved the remaining 5 days of our trip was the fact that we had our food in a barrel instead of a canvas pack. I posted this story to the internet and received many inquiries about the barrel so I included a pointer to your website in my responses. I think this video is a great testament to the advantage of barrels over canvas packs and if you would like to reference it to help market your product you have my full permission.

  
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Re: How to hang a foodpack
Reply #2 - Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:16am
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That is probably the best link I've seen on this or any of teh canoeing sites I check out.  Thanks.
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:51am
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I'm a " hanger ", but you could see myself becoming a " stash-er" under the right circumstances Wink
I have a question about the blue barrels?
I know their not really bear proof like the food vault types are. I also know you want to use a pin/clip to lock the steel rim ring securely in case a bear does find and investigate your stash.
My question concerns the bears ability to haul your barrel away from site, maybe somewhere you can follow and retrieve it.
I read that you shouldn't tie off your barrel, as that gives the bear the leverage to bite/maul it, much more than if it was rolling around. I get that.
I see the many of the blue barrels have two folding type handles on them. It seems to me that could be a weak link in the "system" that would allow a clever bear to be able to pin barrel down with his paw or carry it away very easily?
A little Googling and I found that Eureka makes some hi-vis orange barrels that have molded in handles that appear to remedy this problem IF it's even an issue Undecided
Anyone have similar concerns or heard about such occurrences?
  
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Re: How to hang a foodpack
Reply #4 - Oct 17th, 2011 at 11:57am
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ST, If the molded handles help humans get their hands on it, I'm pretty sure bears could get their teeth on it too.

In my experience, no guide or outfitter I've ever been with has ever hung food. But then we were only traveling remote areas too.

IMO, If there's known nuisance bears roaming the area, you better be hanging food or find someplace else to trip. Bigger problem is what happens during the portage. Unless you can do a one pass portage, or have at least 3 people in your group, you have to drop your food and leave it at some point, or do people hang there food at each portage. Drop your food halfway maybe, to try and trick a smart old bear poaching the trailheads,† Undecided
  
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Re: How to hang a food pack
Reply #5 - Oct 17th, 2011 at 1:16pm
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Unless you can do a one pass portage, or have at least 3 people in your group, you have to drop your food and leave it at some point, or do people hang there food at each portage. Drop your food halfway maybe, to try and trick a smart old bear poaching the trail heads,   


I worry about that traveling solo, so to ease my mind I came up with my own personal bear alarm. I keep it in my tent at night just in case I get a night visitor and the usual shouting doesn't scare them away?
It's a personal security alarm the size of a deck of cards. Runs on 9v battery. When the cord/pin is pulled it sets off a high decibel alarm similar to a home fire alarm.
On portages, I tie the cord off to tree/branch and the alarm stays in zipped side pocket of food pack. Bear grabs/disturbs pack, alarm goes off.
I can't imagine a bear or any wild critter being able to take that sound? Of course if it were a smart OLD bear, they might be deaf Grin

I hear what you say about the molded handles. Maybe the difference wouldn't be enough.
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 17th, 2011 at 4:14pm
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There have been a couple of times I was concerned on a portage.  One was with bear tracks and blueberry bushes recently stripped of berries another was the long Cache lake portages.  I donít like leaving my pack for a long time and on short portages that is not a problem on the other portages I leapfrog my gear across.
  
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Re: How to hang a foodpack
Reply #7 - Oct 17th, 2011 at 9:18pm
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I'm lazy, now a stasher for 5 yrs.  S'pose when I have a bear, I'll be a hanger again
  
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Re: How to hang a foodpack
Reply #8 - Oct 18th, 2011 at 7:09am
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The thing that takes the longest to get done when hanging is getting the ropes over the correct tree limbs.  I have a small bag with string in it.  I put a rock in the bag and throw it over a limb then pull the rope over but I am a bad thrower so it takes several tries.  I have tried to use a sling shot to shoot the bag over a limb but that does not work nearly as well as I had envisioned it. Any one got any easy methods of getting the rope over that high limb that is partially blocked by a near by tree?
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Re: How to hang a foodpack
Reply #9 - Oct 18th, 2011 at 8:52am
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Magicpaddler, I like your idea of putting a rock in the bag. Will have to try that next year. 
This year I made a crude slingshot and it didn't work well-either- too much or too little so I went back to tying string around a rock and throwing it. ( and of course the string comes off at least once) .
In 2010 I went to Sawbill where I noticed the food pack up in the tree in front of Sawbill Outfitters hung using a pulley.  We tried that and it worked really well.  This year we rigged a 2 pulley system with one over the branch and the other at the food pack and it pulled up like it weighed 10 pounds.  That's my system from now on.  As I am only base camping now we only have to rig up once a trip.
  
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