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Oct 24th, 2011 at 5:17pm
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A couple of weeks ago, I spent a couple of night sleeping in a hammock in the woods.  One of the things I noticed immediately is that adjusting your position in a hammock is a different kind of ball game than doing it in a tent.  While I was comfortable sleeping in the hammock, movement and adjusting my sleeping bag was a little like a wrestling match.  That got me thinking (which is always dangerous).

What if I ditch the bag and go with another alternative?  Since I just got a light weight 800 fill down jacket, I was wondering if I could just add down pants and socks and have a complete "body suit" of down in place of a bag.  Of course, I still use some kind of thermal pad on the underside and MAYBE some kind of light-weight, water-proof over bag just in case the weather gets REALLY foul.

Anyone have any experience with an arrangement like this (hammock sleeper or not)?  In any case, I now have a light-weight, packable, down jacket for those cool spring evenings!

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Reply #1 - Oct 24th, 2011 at 7:06pm
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Not a fan of wearing waistbands to bed.  Still I see no problem with your idea.

What about a blanket?

The couple I know who love their hammocks don't move around in their sleep.  They're those freaks who wake up in the same position they went to bed in.
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 24th, 2011 at 11:28pm
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I like my hammock and I lay on both sides and my back.  I now use a under blanket and leave my sleeping bag open and use it as a blanket except the coldest nights.  I have some lined nylon pants and wool socks that I use on the colder nights.  In colder weather I will take a hooded (fleece) sweat shirt and have used it at night.  Now that I am usually not in my bag I do not like laying bare skin on the hammock so I usually ware pants and a shirt to bed. 
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Reply #3 - Oct 25th, 2011 at 12:50am
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DD,

I spent a week in my Hennessy hammock on a trip to Quetico last year. The weather was fairly warm and I used a poncho liner as a blanket rather than fighting my sleeping bag. When the weather cools a bit I use a closed cell pad modified with wings under my bag, but a quilt would work just as well because the insulation on the bottom of a sleeping bag is of little use in a hammock. I think a Big Agnes bag with the sleeping pad pocket might work well and keep you from sliding off of the pad, but I'm not sure it would provide enough insulation on the sides in cooler weather.

Here is a link to a site with a lot of useful info on hammock camping:

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Reply #5 - Oct 25th, 2011 at 12:31pm
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what you want to look at is getting a down quilt

a lightweight down jacket might keep you warm if its summer and the temp stays at 60 or so - otherwise, I think not.   One thing a sleeping bag does is protect your hands and feet and head from the cold - the areas of greatest heat loss - you'd lose that with a down jacket/pants


maybe something like this ? seems like a compromise - no zipper, but has a footbox

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Reply #6 - Oct 25th, 2011 at 12:54pm
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OK.  Let me be a bit more specific.  The light-weight down jacket I have (North Face Summit Series) is rated at 800 fill, but comes in at under 1 lb total weight.  The pants I'd be looking at (e.g., Montbell UL inner pants) would also be 800-fill and under 1 lb.  So, I'd be looking to keep weight low and yet have some flexibility of use (other than sleeping). 

I already have an over-sized down bag that unzips completely.  I don't' think it would be much of improvement to go to a down blanket.  (I also wear head gear, even with the down bag, when its cold ... I'm not fond of having my head stuffed inside the bag.) ... and yes, I'd have to also cover hands and feet (down booties, maybe).

So, given these parameters, can you think of any inherent reason that this would not work to temps to about 20 degrees?  One of my concerns is the radiant heat produced by my body being sufficient to maintain warmth when my extremities are separated.

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Reply #7 - Oct 25th, 2011 at 1:49pm
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DentonDoc wrote on Oct 25th, 2011 at 12:54pm:
So, given these parameters, can you think of any inherent reason that this would not work to temps to about 20 degrees?  One of my concerns is the radiant heat produced by my body being sufficient to maintain warmth when my extremities are separated.

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I think you should be fine.  Doesn't the body shut down the extremeties when the core gets too cold?  So long as you have enough insulation you should be fine.  The link from Kingfisher is essentially what you're planning to do in a onesie.

This is definitely something to test on a 1-2 nighter before going for a week.  Fortunately it's the right time of year for the test.

I suspect that the added weight/bulk of replacing the sleeping bag will be a net zero result.  The big bonus to look for being comfort.
  
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Reply #8 - Oct 25th, 2011 at 3:57pm
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DD... here is another site with some good info on staying warm in a hammock:

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Reply #9 - Oct 25th, 2011 at 5:29pm
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Never been in a hammock so I don't know the issues there but consider how much warmer and more comfortable mittens are than gloves of any real thickness.

I find it's always best to minimize moisture in my sleep. (And I'll sleep in damp/wet clothes so they are dry the next morning.) In my tent, I'll use the bag as a blanket until I get cold when rolling over. Then I zip up as far as needed. At some point I stop turing inside the bag and start allowing it to turn with me (wearing the bag). When it's really cold, my two big concerns are the orientation of nose to opening and draft tube to zipper. Even then, rolling over is useful for evening out any uncomfortable temperature variations.

Then again, I guess you wouldn't get that blast of cold air rolling over in a Gumby suit. But, that blast is also a useful way of letting excess moisture escape. We all want to be warm but at the same time, condensation control is something to consider as well. I assume some basic ideas remain transferable ... hth - good luck in your quest.
  
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