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 25 Are you a selfish adventurer? (Read 30553 times)
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Re: Are you a selfish adventurer?
Reply #60 - Apr 20th, 2012 at 7:13am
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Ummm, ya know, I never thought of the Spartans as being THAT old. Wink   Hey, take it as a compliment because it is. My responses were based on my 50 something adventurer paddler perspective.

I agree the "I'm OK" messages could certainly be problematic. They sound cool for show and tell but I'd freak out too if I didn't get a regularly scheduled email. What about a PLB? Is there a cost/response difference for either thingy/subscription when pressing the "I'm not OK" button?

FWIW everyone I know who's not been along on a trip thinks we're all nutjobs. That's a GOOD thing. Those without enough of a clue that it has to be explained to them? Who cares what they think?

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Reply #61 - Apr 20th, 2012 at 1:26pm
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There are a number of ways of using a SPOT device.  But one is (as others have mentioned) to bury it in a pack and onlyuse it if a call for help if that is needed.  In that sense, is it not essentially just another tool in your emergency medical kit.  For me, being new technology has never been a reason not to put something in the med-kit. SPOT used this way is not even a new concept.  It is just more effective then a whistle or a signalling mirror.  Same purpose, just greater range.
  
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Re: Are you a selfish adventurer?
Reply #62 - Apr 20th, 2012 at 1:41pm
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Yup.  I think I like the way you put it, azalea.

And db, that was, indeed, a compliment.  I will take it as such.   Grin    There has been a thread on another site about "getting old", and I have been most amused about the guys turning 50 and saying that they are working out, they are stronger than they were in their 20's and it will just last forever.  They are NEVER going to get old and slow down!  And I smile and tell them to wait fifteen years and see if they are still on that track.   Wink

We started our canoe-tripping in our mid-twenties.  Our trips in the Q were in our thirties.  Our best and longest trips were when we were in our forties and early fifties.  I guess we didn't think we were ever going to slow down either, but guess what?   Roll Eyes
  
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Re: Are you a selfish adventurer?
Reply #63 - Apr 20th, 2012 at 2:12pm
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Anyone who thinks that going out there connects us to those who lived out there is foolilng themselves.


Hey Preacher,

I'm gonna give a different take on this one.

It hinges on the word "connects," of course.

I certainly don't equate the rigor of our trips to the wilderness with the life of my ancestors. Modern equipment, serious help just a call (if you get SPOT/SAT/CELL stuff) away, at the end of the trip I'm back in a truck, house, paying job and so on and so on.

I fully understand that, and agree with your "hobby" vs. "brutish" comparison.

Just like Hollywood, we tend to glamorize and romanticize everything from ranch life to pioneer settlements to explorers and even war. What's the saying about adventure, that it sounds fun until you're in one?

However, there are moments when I'm in the bush where I do gain an inkling of understanding of what life was like back then and do begin to feel what they felt, and do experience some of what they experienced.

Yeah, it's a limited connection, but it's there nonetheless.

For example:

When I'm in the woods for a while, I begin to lose sense of time as in a day measured by a clock. Now it's measured by the sun. The day is sun-up to sun-down. Actually, I don't even carry a watch. The structure of the day changes, as do my sense of "deadlines."

Slowly and surely, my activities begin to be dictated by the weather. Always a nose to the wind, an eye on the sky. Canoeing on big lakes, or hunting deer, especially so.

I don't eat if I don't cook. Can't go through the drive-thru. Wife ain't cooking.

Medically, if you're hurt, you fix it. Guy I was with hit his thumb with an ax on day 3 -- he dealt with it. Wrapped it tight, kept paddling and fishing and cutting wood and cleaning fish (but not pumping water -- we had a gravity system!), and unwrapping and cleaning the wound every day. Granted, it wasn't a broken leg or an arrow wound or animal bite. However he knew he couldn't go to the local ER for some stitches, knew Ibuprofen was about the best he could do for the pain.

When my partner flipped our canoe while fishing (yeah, it was HIS fault, heh heh) on a rainy day in mid-September, I found myself swimming a canoe to shore, crawling up on a log at the base of a cliff and manuevering to empty the canoe and get stuff back loaded, then eventually getting back to camp and some dry clothes. Nobody rescued us. We got ourselves into the mess, then we got ourselves out of it. Self-reliance.

And every time I've had to get a fire started (or re-started after a downpour) with a woods saturated by days of rain, I've instantly felt empathy for the guys who'd had to do the same things sans fire sticks or matches or other modern conveniences. It was easier for me, but I understood -- right then and there -- how such a small thing could have been so big of a deal. And once I DID get it started, I saw immediately just how much a fire would have meant to them on such a day.

And more from a spiritual standpoint, I wrote a piece for a magazine once about going off into the woods alone with a rifle, shooting a deer at dusk, then cleaning and cooking part of it over a fire of honey locust branches I'd broken with my hands while camped on a ridge overlooking a deep ravine. The ending was something like:

As I savored each bite beneath Orion's steadfast watch, I felt wildness and wisdom creep into my soul. I tried to imagine what it had been like two, three, four hundred years ago. And I wondered whether on that same ridge, amid the same solitude, a hunter had cleaned and cooked his kill around a flickering fire, warmed by the same exhilaration of the hunt.

Hokey? Maybe a bit.

But I can tell you that sitting around a fire late at night, listening to the night sounds, eating an animal I just killed myself and surrounded by stars, I do feel emotionally connected more to my ancestors than to my modern-day colleagues, few of whom would ever dream of doing such a thing, or could cross that moral line and take a life, who would gag at the sight of blood, who could even start a fire, and who would surely feel uncomfortable or even afraid out in the wilderness alone.

Am I Daniel Boone or Simon Kenton? (referencing my Kentucky forebearers, you northern woods guys and women insert your own pioneering explorers).

No.

But at such times, for a brief moment, I firmly believe there's a direct line to the heart of my forefathers, whose every moment centered on eating enough and staying warm enough to live another day.

THAT'S why I go out there.

(Thanks for letting me explain, man!)

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Re: Are you a selfish adventurer?
Reply #64 - Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:56pm
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kypaddler,

I like the way you think Cool
  
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Reply #65 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 2:15am
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That was beautiful,Ky.Paddler. I think an awful lot of of us are looking to make that sort of conection. We're not going on a "vacation" away from our job,the" hustle and bustle",'dem wimmens',or for the exercize.  Those of us who are fairely far away and make a very special 'trip' out of getting into that ,...so very hard hard to find...,remote wilderness,are mostly looking for the "magic"...  I'm going to church when I get to go. I suppose that's why some folks worry about letting all this modern "small world" technology come along. Could be it'd spook the 'magic' and turn the whole thing into just a " vacation".  I too, like the way you think. Thanks for laying it out for us so nicely.
  
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Reply #66 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 3:26am
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I, too, agree with KyPaddler's "take" on going into the boonies.  I can't really appreciate how the voyageurs and natives lived, but I can appreciate that I have luxuries they couldn't have dreamed of.  Where to start - Gore-Tex? Velcro? Freeze-drying? Air mattresses?  About the only thing I do that they did is eat jerky (used to be pemmican) and paddle.  OK, portage, too, but I'm a wuss by comparison.

Also, I find it's only after several days in the bush that I start to consider how earlier people lived.  It takes that long to figure out where I am.
  
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Reply #67 - Apr 26th, 2012 at 12:58am
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I think just filling my lungs full of the sweet early morning air and seeing the change of color and light is enough to let me share something pretty strong with those who have stood on the very same shore at dawn.  ...
  
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Reply #68 - Apr 26th, 2012 at 2:14pm
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About the only thing I do that they did is eat jerky...


Just made some venison jerky with my son the other day. Had to hide it to keep he and my daughter from taking it all to school. Last fall, at the beginning of the year, we made a big batch, and I found out later my son had taken some to school 3-4 days in a row to let all his friends (small, poor urban grade school) try some. On Friday, they had Student Council elections, and he came home to tell me he'd been elected in a landslide.

I started laughing. "So that's what a vote is worth these days -- a stick of deer jerky? You run on a platform of a chicken in every pot and  jerky in every lunch box?"

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