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Reply #30 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 2:43pm
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These discussions of what is the number one danger are fun but in reality don't we face all kinds of potential threats? Usually we manage to get past most of them unscathed. I would humbly suggest that what is really important is the mindset we bring to the problem/task.
When I was a little kid I had a friend who was a more or less retired sheepherder. This was back in the day when an old man and a boy could be friends without all kinds of suggestions of buggery and whatnot. Anyway...he had almost unlimited patience with all my questions. I asked him if he wasn't worried when he was out all alone, maybe break a leg or something? "Yep", he said "but the thing to do was slow down and think. Don't try to bull your way through a piece of work". And scowling at me, "Keep your mind on your work, save the woolgathering for the campfire".
All these years later his words still ring true. I can be working at some small fiddly task and thinking that after this I'll do these other things and then I can get back into that book again and then, DANG!! that hurt, wonder if I ought to get stitches. Serves me right; woolgathering. Again.
Don't know what's coming after this, but I would sure would like to talk to him again, he was a good old man.
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Reply #31 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 7:50pm
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All these years later his words still ring true. I can be working at some small fiddly task and thinking that after this I'll do these other things and then I can get back into that book again and then, DANG!! that hurt, wonder if I ought to get stitches. Serves me right; woolgathering. Again.


Excellent advice. For anyone who's traveling alone being in the moment is a lesson that the sooner learned the better off you are.

Every tumble/misstep/temporary getting lost etc, came when I took what I was doing or going for granted and started looking to far ahead. You want to be thinking about your next step literally.

And it is sad that when strangers see a young kid talking with someone that isn't a relative they think the worst. Sign of the times but sad nonetheless.
  
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Reply #32 - Jul 11th, 2012 at 2:15am
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My earlier note may have been missed, so I'll raise it again.

Regarding this stove...  I like the idea of it burning natural things, the weight of it, and not having to pack gas. BUT I wonder how it does on those days (we've all had them) when it's cold and everything is absolutely soaking wet.  Starting a fire in this stove with wet leaves, etc....  Anyone have experience with the littlbug stove in this situation?

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Reply #33 - Jul 11th, 2012 at 2:55am
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Hi Prouboy, Sorry, I guess I missed it.  I've never had all that much luck with wet material. Under those conditions usually I look for standing dead wood or dead branches I can break off with a stick. If I can get a fire going using nearly dry wood then sometimes it works to pile the wetter stuff over the top or along side the fire. I have found that if the wood was dead but just wet from rain the center part is often still dry enough to burn, so I split it up so the center parts are available to the fire. However if it was soaking in a pond I don't even try. That doesn't really answer your question but that's as close as I've ever come.
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Reply #34 - Jul 11th, 2012 at 11:40am
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Also, always a good idea to have dry kindling along with you that you've gathered on your travel...scraps of birch bark, etc. Doesn't weigh much, can be tucked into a pocket. Obviously, if you've got a week of rain and are travelling through it, that isn't so easy to sustain.
  
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Reply #35 - Jul 11th, 2012 at 3:25pm
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Prouboy, Re-reading the question you asked about how does the Littlbug work with wet stuff, I think, maybe, we have a little disconnect here. Probably it's caused by the (over) enthusiastic  owner of the new stove. As I understand it, all of these "twig stoves" in one way or another work so well because they provide some draft effect, hot air rising up a chimney, shelter from unhelpful wind and reflection of heat back to the center of the burning material. All these factors allow the burning of some over looked and spurned fuels; twigs, pine cones, buffalo chips etc.
But, if the intended fuel is truly wet, then your fire making efforts are (pardon the pun) dead in the water.
On the off chance that someone might mistake me for a competent fire starter, I must confess I cheat and use a vaseline soaked cotton ball to get thing going.
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Reply #36 - Jul 11th, 2012 at 6:37pm
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Those conditions are exactly why IMHO anyone who wants/needs a fire brings a small saw big enough to cut a piece of downed wood that even if wet will have a dry center (heart).

Something to split it and initially a fire starter of some kind to get things going.
Birch bark is great and If you run across some, it's a good idea to stash some in a zip lock.

I'm partial to my paraffin wax/ dryer lint/ cardboard egg carton homemade firestarters.
I've added a trick b-day candle center wick to give it a little extra bang.

The magnesium powder in the candlewick makes these burn hot/fast, enough to light even the wettest wood, but the dryer the fuel source the less smoke, although if the bugs are bad, excess smoke might be a good thing..
  
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Reply #37 - Jul 11th, 2012 at 7:43pm
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Yeah, I was thinking those firestarters would be good with this.  I have a bag full.  Question on the trick candles -- where and how do you use them?  I never could quite figure that out.  Got pictures?

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Reply #38 - Jul 11th, 2012 at 10:16pm
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Here's a quick tutorial of how I make my "enhanced" wax/lint fire starters.
Sorry I don't have pics.

Melt 1 lb paraffin wax. It's extremely flammable, so to be safe, do it this way.
Take a large tin coffee can that is bent in enough to form a pouring spout.
Put wax in can and set in large pan of boiling water to melt wax.

Take a CARDBOARD egg carton and in each section put a piece of dryer lint.
I roll some in a ball between my palms, you want a piece about the size of a large marble.
Have the lint in place in all sections before you add the melted wax.

While wax is melting, take those trick b-day candles that you can buy in party shops or even a good supermarket. There the kind that you can't blow out no matter how you try.
Cut each candle in half.

Pour wax into carton molds and wait till it starts to set, but not to long and stick the candle straight into the center of fire cube. You want it to get into the lint ball. It should stay straight up unless the wax is to hot.

Let them cool and tear into individual sections. Leave the cardboard on. I put a few in a zip lock bag and put one bag in all my packs.
Build a small tepee of little twigs/branches with fire starter under/inside it.
Light the candle and as the magnesium ignites it sets the small candle melting which ignites the dryer lint which sets the paraffin going. It burns very hot.
Will light wet wood and get the base going for a bigger fire.

I think in a pinch it would burn hot/long enough to heat water in small cup/pot for a quick warm-up in an emergency.
  
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Reply #39 - Jul 14th, 2012 at 7:01pm
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Afew updated comments. I finished an 11 day Quetico trip and a 4 day Canada camping/fishing trip using the LittlBug every day, usually 2-3 times per day.

Aluminum foil does work ok as a bottom. We put the Bug on a cooking grate suche that the coals would otherwise fall out the bottom. We used 3 layers of aluminum foil as a bottom liner and it never melted. Might be different if placed on solid ground but worked fine for us.

It worked great for boiling water in the rain. We had one demoralizing day in Quetico that was cold, windy, and raining all day long. Never even got in the canoe. My buddy firedup the stove for a spaghetti meal, no problem. He did use a fire starter. Having a stash of dry kindling is handy. I have a large bag made out of lightweight blue tarp material (50 cents at Ikea) that packs to nothing but is great for collecting and storing little sticks. That plus a small lopping tool makes for quick work of wood. Once the fire is lit, a few coal form, and you load it up with thicker sticks, you can put on a pan of water. I use a 4 qt aluminum pan with lid. Nearly covers the top of the Bug and makes it water resistent. No way we could have made a camp fire, especially with the gusting wind, but the Bug fired up.

On the other hand, you really don't need any tricks. It works well if you can otherwise build a decent fire. But a lopper, some gloves, a wood bag make life much easier.
  
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