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Re: New Dry Box
Reply #10 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:05pm
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"Nice size but not tall enough for one liter MSR fuel bottles"

Why would you put these in a dry box?  I leave them outside the plastic liner in my pack and put them in the bottom because I don't care if they get wet.

The whole liner and water proof issue surprises me.  I've never used more than a pack and plastic liner - the heavy clear vinyl ones outfitters often supply - and never ahd a problem - including a dump in white caps in October - 40 minutes from shore.  (My lack of wearing pfd  was clearly partially offset by the very bouyant packs.)  Everything inside was bone dry.
  
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Reply #11 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:29pm
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The whole liner and water proof issue surprises me.  I've never used more than a pack and plastic liner - the heavy clear vinyl ones outfitters often supply - and never ahd a problem - including a dump in white caps in October - 40 minutes from shore.  (My lack of wearing pfd  was clearly partially offset by the very bouyant packs.)  Everything inside was bone dry.


October, white caps, 40 minutes from shore and NO pfd Huh
Now that surprises me Shocked
  
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Reply #12 - Jun 28th, 2012 at 12:13pm
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"October, white caps, 40 minutes from shore and NO pfd
Now that surprises me  "

See the other thread about me trying to find a pfd I might actually wear or at least wear some percentage of the time.
  
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Reply #13 - Jun 28th, 2012 at 12:22pm
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Puckster wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 12:47pm:
I'm curious, regardless of which box, would you put the box in a pack or just hump it over the portages using the attached handles.  I'm a "pack guy" so the idea of a box is alien to me.

Hand carrying something of that size and loaded weight sucks. I know because that's what we did the first year when we called it a foodbox. Next year I added shoulder straps. It helped a lot but it flopped around on more difficult portages so the next year I added a hip belt and it became a foodpack that even my wife doesn't complain about portaging. Plus it's hard so things don't get crushed as well as a welcome seat/table.

Just to reiterate, I use a (what? 30yr old?) Rubbermaid roughneck. Not as strong as what's being discussed here but lighter and a whole lot cheaper. Oooh and it must be smell/bear proof too since one's never compromised mine.  Tongue Cheesy

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Reply #14 - Jun 28th, 2012 at 12:28pm
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Jim J Solo wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 6:03pm:
db, ActionPacker boxes are a nice size too.
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Ha! From REI no less.  Smiley

8 gal is too small for such a big footprint IMHO. Looks like overkill to me. Wink
  
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Reply #15 - Jun 28th, 2012 at 2:01pm
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Hi  db,

I do remember you posting a photo of your strapping that you had made for your food/equipment box. I thought I had saved it. Unfortunately it's like every thing else I "put up so I can find later" and can't find it. I even printed a copy. I also did a search and came up dry.  Do you have a quick way for me to find your example?
I would really appreciate it. :dankk2

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Reply #16 - Jun 28th, 2012 at 2:53pm
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NRS makes stuff for rafters, not paddlers - its all heavy duty and heavy, not designed to be moved farther than from the vehicle to the boat ramp, or from the raft to the camp 20 yards away. 

There used to be a plastic wannigan sort of pack with shoulder staps, on the market years ago, contoured to fit the bottom of a canoe - not sure why that disappeared, but might be because it was too heavy ? though it didn't look too bad.  I've seen pictures of wooden wannigans with portage straps or tumplines attached - any of them would be an awkward carry - maybe strap it to a freighter frame ?


so I got curious to see if I could find what I was rememebring and googled for plastic wannigan - this wasn't it, but looks like a nice design - no weight givern for it, and not in production unless they get a lot of interest.

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Of everything I've seen in this "genre" this one intrigues me, in that it looks comfortable.  We use the food barrel, (as well as another food pack), to haul our stuff.  I wonder how this "box" compares in size and comfort to a barrel?  Mad Mat -- have you seen and/or tried this on a trip?

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Reply #17 - Jun 28th, 2012 at 4:16pm
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Ooops.  Just read the last sentence and learned the hardpack wannigan is not currently in production, so ignore my last question M_M.

I did write them and indicate my interest.  I figure it's always good to have choices.

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Reply #18 - Jun 28th, 2012 at 5:15pm
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I have that same problem far too often as well Dadman but I've had to dig them out often enough to know where I last stuck 'em. Here's thumbs that link to slightly bigger images (hey, screens were smaller way back when). Keep in mind I never said my solution was perfect or elegant. I did it on the cheap when I was in college yet I've never felt a desire to improve upon the current version. What began as a what if, a work in progress based on need, improved on successive trips until - hey, good enough. State of the art at the time was a garbage bag inside a (way out of my price range) traditional canvas bag. Consider them food for thought like prouboy's hardpack wannigan link.

Here it is as it would be configured for hanging or travel. Notice the flexible lid is secured at 8 points.
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Next shows how I rigged the shoulder straps. The white duct tape on the bottom holds (2L bottle) plastic that acts like a belt loop for the main two straps that keep it closed.
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Next shows the hip belt. The two straps left and right are the shoulder strap bottoms. It is what makes it comfortable to portage.
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Here's a detail that shows the simple block of wood stuck inside the handle at the only manufacture's provided holes. It also shows part of a foamcore divider that separates my food from my stove, pots ... for solo trips.
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I freely admit this is a very personalized contraption and in a way I'm rather embarrassed to show them these days but I'm a frugal guy and it's allowed me to do this for less than a buck a trip over it's lifetime. Makes up for the funny looks I get at portages. Wink
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The first time my friend brought a Rubbermaid box for his personal gear I scoffed too and I still would as a bag would work better. The boxes this thread is discussing look like good, serious gear to me. The tradeoff could be price and weight and I wouldn't be surprised if the barrel harnesses currently on the market fit these as well but for convenience sake, a box beats a barrel or a garbage bag lined bag any day IMO - especially a cold nasty rainy day, when at the end of a portage, you find your day-foodpack lacking that little nosh that just might put a smile back on your face.

FWIW - LL Bean carries the same damn (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) and they don't say what it weighs either! It's gotta be way freaken heavy. Weight is important but convenience is too.
  
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Reply #19 - Jun 28th, 2012 at 6:51pm
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"The tradeoff could be price and weight and I wouldn't be surprised if the barrel harnesses currently on the market fit these as well"



Voyageur Barrel Harness - from Ostrum
[K0047] $199.95

they have a couple of others for about $130, but might be too small for a big box ?
 

I wouldn't waste my money on a barrel harness to adapt, when you can likely find an old packframe at a thrift store for $10 - an hours work with a piece of plywood or something would make a shelf for the box to sit on and a couple of straps for quick on or off - about what I have rigged on my packframes for carrying the boat if I want to strap a pack on instead.  or just buy a freighter frame packframe like this  for $65 - likely cheaper than buying seperate straps and hipbelts and adapting

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used to work for an outfitter that used those Action Packers a lot - they held up to a lot of abuse, but sitting on them eventually "sprung" the top seal, so I wouldn't recommend useing them as chairs - they did fit tightly when shoved under a thwart, and fit crosswise in most canoes.  He'd bring maybe a dozen or so - it was "fun" to try and find what you were looking for without having to go thru a dozen boxes before you found it. worked well to keep bread and chips from getting all squashed.
  
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