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Joe_Schmeaux

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WCPP Portage database
Sep 25^th, 2012 at 8:12pm

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Since WCPP has no portage database, I propose collecting portage info in this thread. (In other words, more submissions, please Cheesy

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Trip_segment____	Date_visited__	Map Length, m	Measured	Comments
Garner to Jester	August 9, 2012	300	290, 305	Easy, west end marked by big park sign
	August 9, 2012	225	123, 117	From west, canoe until it's obvious you need a portage, it's there. Easy.
	August 9, 2012	825	837	From west, watch for side channel on left, follow channel upstream 50 m to chute, mucky takeout on left. Easy portage.
Jester to Haggart L	August 20, 2012	60	75	Easy portage around rock garden on west side of creek, paddled through scrape-free on the way back
	August 20, 2012	20	20	Easy, short
	August 20, 2012	30		Small rock garden, waded through on the way back, but would have been easier just to do the easy portage.
	August 20, 2012	100	109, 117	Easy
	August 20, 2012	40
	August 20, 2012	10	28	Easy
	August 20, 2012	100	112, 113	Easy
	August 20, 2012	60	81, 95	Easy, some wading required at east end
	August 20, 2012	80	87, 89	Easy
	August 20, 2012	175	178, 189	Easy
	August 20, 2012	400	426, 433	Mostly easy, one short slippery section in middle around some deadfall.
Haggart L to Broken Arrow L	August 11, 2012	300	323	East end is in small bay at south end of long granite slope, marked by crossed sticks dangling from a tree. Some up and down, but easy.
Haggart R East of B.A.	August 12, 2012	not shown	5	Rock garden, can probably paddle through in high water, walk canoe at mid-levels, use portage when water level is low. Shallowest at the west end. Portage is not shown on map, but it is there.
	August 12, 2012	150		Not flagged, but takeout at west end is obvious once you're in the small bay.
	August 12, 2012	375	389	Easy
	August 12, 2012	325	360	Mostly easy, couple of short mucky sections (ankle deep, with some corduroy) in west half.
Adventure Cr from Haggart R	August 13, 2012	200		West end marked by tree blaze, but path into forest is obvious
	August 13, 2012	410	420	West end is about 150 m south of location shown on canoe map. Steep at west end, slightly overgrown at east end. Moderately difficult.
	August 13, 2012	400	329	The takeout was hard to find, mostly obliterated by blowdown. The portage itself was a bit overgrown and had some avoidable deadfall, but fairly easy once you're landed.
	August 14, 2012	150	42	Approaching from the west, the unmarked takeout is on the right (south) side of the stream, just before the opening into a little chasm. It is not on the north side as shown on the canoe map. The trail climbs up a steep rocky, mossy slope before leveling out. It is short, but challenging.
	August 14, 2012	0	28	Short portage around (Class IV?) rapids on north side, not shown on canoe map.
	August 14, 2012	120		Deadfall blocked the stream west of the west end takeout (unload, pull over, reload). The unmarked portage takeout was on the south side, not far past the blockage. The portage was very steep at the start, then flat. Some mud, some deadfall, moderately challenging.
	August 14, 2012	30	32	A beaver dam pullover was needed to get through the stream west of the portage. The unmarked takeout is on the south side, and the portage itself is fairly easy.
	August 14, 2012	100	99	Rocky unmarked takeout on west end, but otherwise also fairly easy.
	August 14, 2012	70		Unmarked takeout, moderately easy, bit of deadfall.
	August 14, 2012	70	93	Easy
	August 15, 2012	300	269	Easy trail across a granite dome.
	August 15, 2012	150	145	Slightly overgrown, one piece of inconvenient deadfall
	August 15, 2012	200	206	Easy
Bulging to Haggart	August 16, 2012	0	58	On east side, easy. Not shown on canoe map.

« Last Edit: Sep 26^th, 2012 at 3:12am by Joe_Schmeaux »

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PhantomJug Voyageur Inukshuk Offline Posts: 2845 Location: 1/2 way there Joined: Feb 12^th, 2003	Re: WCPP Portage database Reply #1 - Sep 26^th, 2012 at 12:55am	Quote Print Post
	WOW! That's "value added" if you ask me. Above and beyond the call of duty. up


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Marten Inukshuk Offline Posts: 541 Location: IL Joined: Feb 7^th, 2010	Re: WCPP Portage database Reply #2 - Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:23am	Quote Print Post
	This could be a great source of info. I hear many complaints about not being able to find WCPP portages. Would UTM coordinates be of use if we can provide them?


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Joe_Schmeaux Inukshuk Offline Posts: 395 Location: Alberta Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: WCPP Portage database Reply #3 - Sep 29^th, 2012 at 7:07am	Quote Print Post
	Marten wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:23am: I hear many complaints about not being able to find WCPP portages. Would UTM coordinates be of use if we can provide them? I have most of the lat-longs from my GPS, so I could convert them and post them if they would be useful. The maps linked to my "WCPP campsite database" post do show the portages in their correct locations, and the comments above highlight all of the major discrepancies with the WCPP canoe map. Hopefully that would be enough to eliminate most of the complaints, at least for this small area of the park.


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Marten Inukshuk Offline Posts: 541 Location: IL Joined: Feb 7^th, 2010	Re: WCPP Portage database Reply #4 - Sep 29^th, 2012 at 5:00pm	Quote Print Post
	What I have seen so many times is that the portage is right there but with no wear and tear it is not easy to spot. If the positions were in NAD 27 UTM's it would be easiest to transfer to paper topos IMHO. I have found it pleasurable to be able to let the GPS lead me the last 200 meters to the portage. More time to be looking for caribou.


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Marten Inukshuk Offline Posts: 541 Location: IL Joined: Feb 7^th, 2010	Re: WCPP Portage database Reply #5 - Sep 30^th, 2012 at 1:39am	Quote Print Post
	This is a list of the portages for the Onnie Access on the east side of the park to Carroll Lake on the west side. There are no nasty issues with any of these portages. I used this route in July, 2012. It is an excellent way to get deep into the park in a short time. You can then easily head to many other sections. Keeping a steady pace and double portaging it took me 8 hours to get to a campsite near the east end of Glennn Lake, about 17 miles. It took another 12 hours to get to the east side of Carroll Lake, 25 miles from the Glenn Camp. These times exclude any rest breaks or meal times. Please understand that there could be some mistakes from entering all these numbers. Overall it should allow for easier navigation across WCPP. The NAD 27 datum matches most of the 50,000 scale topo maps for WCPP. If you enter these NAD 27 numbers in a program set for NAD83 you will be 200 meters off location in WCPP. Please notify me of any needed corrections. Portage Nad27 UTM 15U Portage end 300 410800 5641000 410553 5641322 Parking lot for Onnie access- well signed 30 410400 5641750 625 410380 5641943 410548 5642494 Old park map marks it 365 150 410028 5643848 409919 5643944 No non-resident camping on Onnie-Green Zone 125 408454 5643654 408349 5643626 Hjalmar Lakes 150 406250 5643650 406090 5643599 Hjalmar Lakes 200 405394 5643210 405220 5643120 To Telescope 100 396601 5642805 396530 5642733 Exit Telescope 100 395646 5642861 395598 5642846 Exit Stuart 70 394045 5643184 394003 5643146 Enter Optic 275 391713 5640815 391496 5640822 Exit Optic 275 391319 5640752 391082 5640757 Enter Glenn 60 382650 5641000 382645 5641111 Exit Glenn 350 382002 5640991 381720 5641107 Enter Hansen chute 381480 5641000 Can be wicked- I have heard of a portage 275 378514 5644437 378377 5644660 Enter Rostoul 90 372837 5648436 372788 5648511 Exit Rostoul 40 371724 5649414 Enter Hammerhead 400NEW 369531 5653986 369283 5654199 Enter Donald-replaces 70&50 on other bank 400 363671 5657162 363487 5657281 Enter Carroll
	« Last Edit: Oct 1^st, 2012 at 12:39am by Marten »

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HighnDry Inukshuk Offline Posts: 1035 Location: Minneapolis Joined: Apr 29^th, 2013	Re: WCPP Portage database Reply #6 - Nov 1^st, 2013 at 1:44am	Quote Print Post
	...I'm cutting and pasting this entire thread into a WCPP portage word file...thanks! you folks have done a lot of great work here!


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