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Re: Dedicated canoe pack?
Reply #20 - Dec 10th, 2012 at 7:54pm
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I will offer a different point of view.  Depending on how the framed pack fits in your canoe and how much it can carry, keep using it.

I find farmed packs allow me to carry weight more comfortably then unframed pack.  Or to put it a differently, for the same ease of carry level, the framed pack can have more weight in it.  In my case, that is not all that heavy.  Given the design of my frame pack, by putting the heaviest stuff in that pack, I can get it up to max weight with very little if nothing strapped to the outside.

So take a look at what you might bring, how you can allocate it to be carried, and the frame pack design to see if maybe the frame pack can carry a full load of stuff without much dangling on its outside.
  
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Reply #21 - Dec 11th, 2012 at 12:32am
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zski wrote on Dec 10th, 2012 at 7:10pm:
Experience-wise i'm likely one of the least experienced posting on this here board here. but a couple of years ago i bought 2 of these (brand), used from an outfitter for 50.00/ea. They look like what people refer to as #4 packs and fit in the boat perfectly. (for 6.00/ea needed to have a shoe repair guy reinforce a few seams that looked questionable)    (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)


For 20 years I have used a Quetico Superior food pack.  It's a wonderful pack, made even more so by plastic trays I was able to find that fit it perfectly.  Good brand!

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Re: Dedicated canoe pack?
Reply #22 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 1:52am
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Puckster wrote on Dec 8th, 2012 at 4:48pm:
Interesting discussion.  Are the Ostrom packs waterproof, or do they require plastic liners? 

I'm curious why no one commented on the waterproof genre of canoe packs, like the North49 Waterproof Canoe Pack 120 L. 

I have no experience with these "rubber" packs, but the waterproof nature of them is, on the surface, appealing.  They do look bulky and uncomfortable, but again, I have no firsthand experience. 

prouboy


I have used a Sealine pro pack for quite a few years. I like it really well......excellent belt and suspension system.......shoulder straps easily adjustable. I don't baby mine and have yet to put a hole in one. I would be reluctant to take it on an extended trip into places where portages were slim to none. Set it down on a beaver cutting and you have an instant problem.........

But in friendly places like the Quetico it seems to be the ticket. I have added a few smaller duffels (watershed) as well. Nice to not have to worry about anything getting wet, just load and go......watertight even in a dunking  Wink
  
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Reply #23 - Dec 13th, 2012 at 11:29pm
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On the subject of 'rubber' pack or dry bags, I have a couple of Seattle Sport Grand Adventure and Free Loader 99L dry packs.  At less than $100, the price was a draw, as well as the waterproofness.  They are true roll top dry bags with a well designed shoulder harness like on a backpack, but no hip belt.  They are taller and narrower than traditional packs.

The Grand Adventure is PCV free heavy vinyl and the Free Loader is 600D urethane coated polyester.  The grand is a bit heavier duty and also heavier.  Well made and they are pretty good for a personal gear pack that doesn't get real heavy.  I've notice some strain marks around the attachment point for the straps, but haven't leaked yet.  I would not use for heavy or pointy camp gear.  I carry a patch kit with Aqua Seal and the accelerator so it would be usable in a couple hours vs. over night.  I did have a Free Loader suffer an abbrasion failure from lots of granite contact, but was an easy patch.

I still use them but feel heavy use or much portaging could lead to leaks at the stress points, so I've moved back toward the traditional portage packs and feel, with replaceable liners or bags, will get much longer use of them.  I use a heavy plastic bag for a liner and almost everything inside goes in its own dry sack.  I stay away from the vinyl dry sacks and use coated polyester as they don't cling to each other and much easier to cram into the packs as they slide past each other. 

That's my experience with the 'dry bag' style pack.  I think they are much better for river rafting type trips or ones where the amount of portaging is limited.  They were great on our Copper River trip...though I noted one of the guides used a GG#4.

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Reply #24 - Dec 15th, 2012 at 5:23am
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Speaking of dry bags to use inside packs, I love the WxTex compressible bags with a purge valve and compression straps, but they apparently aren't being made anymore.  Anyone know of a similar bag being made?
  
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Reply #25 - Dec 15th, 2012 at 6:18am
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portage dog wrote on Dec 13th, 2012 at 11:29pm:
On the subject of 'rubber' pack or dry bags, I have a couple of Seattle Sport Grand Adventure and Free Loader 99L dry packs.  At less than $100, the price was a draw, as well as the waterproofness.  They are true roll top dry bags with a well designed shoulder harness like on a backpack, but no hip belt.  They are taller and narrower than traditional packs.

The Grand Adventure is PCV free heavy vinyl and the Free Loader is 600D urethane coated polyester.  The grand is a bit heavier duty and also heavier.  Well made and they are pretty good for a personal gear pack that doesn't get real heavy.  I've notice some strain marks around the attachment point for the straps, but haven't leaked yet.  I would not use for heavy or pointy camp gear.  I carry a patch kit with Aqua Seal and the accelerator so it would be usable in a couple hours vs. over night.  I did have a Free Loader suffer an abbrasion failure from lots of granite contact, but was an easy patch.

I still use them but feel heavy use or much portaging could lead to leaks at the stress points, so I've moved back toward the traditional portage packs and feel, with replaceable liners or bags, will get much longer use of them.  I use a heavy plastic bag for a liner and almost everything inside goes in its own dry sack.  I stay away from the vinyl dry sacks and use coated polyester as they don't cling to each other and much easier to cram into the packs as they slide past each other. 

That's my experience with the 'dry bag' style pack.  I think they are much better for river rafting type trips or ones where the amount of portaging is limited.  They were great on our Copper River trip...though I noted one of the guides used a GG#4.

pd


Good review p_d!  I'll stick to my traditional packs. 

Thanks!

prouboy
  
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Re: Dedicated canoe pack?
Reply #26 - Dec 16th, 2012 at 6:41am
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Well my usd GG Superior One from Piragis arrived today.
I love the design, & this thing has some VOLUME!!!  The harness system is very well designed, comfortable easily adjusted, & well fitting.  It feels like it will be very comfy with a load.  Only time will tell.  Mine was also in VG conditino.  A couple of places on the outside pocket that had caught on something very rough & "snagged & run" for an inch or so but will make no difference in function.  Soiled n places but no big deal.  About what you should expect for a pack that has seen a season of use.
Overall I'm very pleased.
  
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Re: Dedicated canoe pack?
Reply #27 - Jan 3rd, 2013 at 3:16pm
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I love my Duluth Packs and they are over 15 years old.  Nothing against nylon but they are more expensive. I had a SeaLine waterproof pack and hated it.  It just did not sit well on my back when fully loaded and it has very hot against my back.  I don't know about the others, but Duluth and Frost River guarantee their stuff for life.  You can now get them with waist belts but I find them more hassel than they are worth for short portages (les than a 1/2 mile).
  
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Re: Dedicated canoe pack?
Reply #28 - Jan 4th, 2013 at 6:59pm
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I really do like the drybag type for things that can't get wet. The tent is usually wet so it gets the coated stuff sack treatment inside. I don't bother with interior waterproofing beyond that beyond emergency emergency TP. Fill it in the morning and dump everything in the evening. Mine's pretty old but I treat things with respect. I could imagine someone ripping a strap out the side or something if they weren't thinking. Set it down pick it up. Dragging it across those rocks? Never.

I was able to try a duluth on one trip. I hated it mostly because it was uncomfortable and the leather straps/buckles were a real pain with frozen fingers. Most of all, it didn't have a hip belt so it took me down by momentum alone at least twice that I still can picture on that trip.

The one thing that really surprised me though was how water resistant it was. I don't know if it was waxed or what but for canvas I was impressed. He normally used a basket inside which I didn't trust. My rubbermaid box fit well but since we never dumped, that turned out to be overkill in hindsight.
  
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Re: Dedicated canoe pack?
Reply #29 - Jan 5th, 2013 at 10:34pm
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I have a couple of Paul Bunyan Duluth packs.  Packs don't get any bigger.  As pointed out previously, the canvas packs are surprising water proof.  Leave the packs out all day in a rain and the inside will not be wet.  My packs are not waxed.  This doesn't mean you can leave the packs in standing water, but if they are hung up, the inside will stay dry.
The life time guarantee on Duluth Pack is not all inclusive.  The life time guarantee refers to the hardware and the straps.  The guarantee does not include wear and tear.
  
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