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Re: Opasquia 2014
Reply #10 - Feb 8th, 2013 at 2:51pm
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Hey folks, just to update everyone a little, I am currently working on a price that would allow paddlers to take advantage of a scheduled "back haul" system.  If we can make this work, the costs would obviously be greatly reduced, although it's still a very long flight from our base in Red Lake.

I don't see going to Sandy Lake as an option as you would still need a floatplane to take you from Sandy into the park. 

In checking out the rates on scheduled flights from Red Lake to Sandy Lake, you're looking at a cost of over $600 / person return and you would not be able to bring your canoe on board...yikes!

I'm also looking at options of having solo or tandem canoes waiting up there which could also reduce cost as there would be no need for external load.

I'm confident I'll be able to secure a rate that'll work for everyone and it'll be a direct flight.

I'll post again when we've figured out some rates.

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Reply #11 - Feb 8th, 2013 at 3:44pm
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Martin, Not to state the obvious, just an FYI. You mentioned 2 hard shell boats on the outside of an Otter.

I've been in an Otter with 3 Old Town Discos inside, with 6 passengers, plus the 2 pilots. None of the boats needed their thwarts or seats removed to nest as I recall.

We were full, but OK. Even better, everyone using bag boats like  DD's would allow for more passengers  Thumbs Upup
I've gone that way too and you can easily do 8 passengers and gear. Better for adjusting the load in the plane.

The guides/pilots were careful the load wasn't tail heavy when we used hard shell boats..

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Reply #12 - Feb 8th, 2013 at 6:03pm
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There are no Otters' running out of the Red Lake region with approvals for carrying canoes as external loads. Also, at 293 Km (180 miles) or there about's an Otter would be very, very expensive.

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Reply #13 - Feb 9th, 2013 at 6:45pm
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Marten wrote on Jan 31st, 2013 at 11:46pm:
I am serious about getting up to Opasquia during the 2014 paddling season. I am starting a new thread so anyone else so inclined can be part of the endeavor. It is not going to be easy or cheap. The portages that served the outpost cabins suffered heavy wind damage last August. Wally mentioned in previous thread that shore line is not very inviting. Canoe visits are really rare up there, information is rarer. SOUNDS GREAT DOESN'T IT!! Cheesy


Marten -

I'm interested in doing much the same kind of trip as DentonDoc.  I'll be looking forward to seeing what Harlan can come up w/re: logistics & costs.

Do you suppose the trees are such to make it suitable for hammock-tenting? 

Hey, new park... new potential for practical jokes, eh?  I've long wondered what I was going to do with that small bottle of "wolverine scent" that I inherited from my great, great, great grand-pappy, the renown voyageur, cartographer, & explorer... Mssr. Jacques Le Strap.  I'm told that boy could trap darn near anything.

I'll be following developments on this thread.  I AM interested.

Later,

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Reply #14 - Feb 9th, 2013 at 8:15pm
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Solotrip wrote on Feb 8th, 2013 at 2:51pm:
I'm also looking at options of having solo or tandem canoes waiting up there which could also reduce cost as there would be no need for external load.

I'm confident I'll be able to secure a rate that'll work for everyone and it'll be a direct flight.

I'll post again when we've figured out some rates.

Harlan


Harlan -- thanks for working on this!  I'm still working on a trip to WCPP or the Bloodvein this year.  Will you be at the Midwest Mountaineering Outdoor Expo in April?

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Reply #15 - Feb 11th, 2013 at 12:01am
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Ok, so I've figured on some numbers of what you can expect to pay for a trip up to Opasquia.  These might fluctuate a few dollars here or there in 2014 as I have idea what fuel prices will be then, however for budgeting, here you go....

For a flight from our base in Red Lake, for up to 3 people, 1 canoe (external load), to East Lake, pick up another paddler(s) and a canoe and head back the cost would be $3,048 + 13% HST, roundtrip.  If this were to be just solo paddlers you can divide this by 2, so it'd come out to $1,524 + 13 % HST.  If there were tandem paddlers, then you can just divide up by the number of paddlers.

It is a staggering 293 KM (180 miles) trip each way to the park, so you can surely understand the expense involved.

If, as Martin first suggested, we can get a routine down with paddlers coming and going, sharing the costs, I think there would be some interest for paddlers getting up there.

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Reply #16 - Feb 11th, 2013 at 1:35am
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Harlan -

Thanks for doing the ground work for this.  Your numbers are pretty much what I expected.  Are we talking about 3-3 1/2 hours flight time one way?  (Would the flight crew provide refreshments?  Grin)

And ... do I understand correctly that permits and camping fees would be more like accessing crown land since OPP is a non-operating park?  Certainly, that expense is nominal when compared to the cost of the flight, but if that is correct, what would be a ball park number, per night.

Again ... thank you so much!!!

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Reply #17 - Feb 11th, 2013 at 1:50am
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So about $860/person if two are going in, while two are coming out. What about the first two going in, or the last two coming out? It would seem that someone would have to bite the bullet on these costs, on each end.
Harlan, please let us know if you find it feasible to send a couple older canoes up there as rentals.
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Reply #18 - Feb 11th, 2013 at 1:55am
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Jimbo,

Yes, there are plenty of suitable trees for hammock sleeping in Opasquia. I have searched the woods for blueberries many times on several of the lakes over the years and you can find plenty of sleeping sights for hammocks.

Seeing as I have not seen any canoeists in the 25 plus years I have been there ... there aren't any cleared campsites that I know about. I have seen a few old Indian hunting camps back in the woods on several lakes. I just followed a few shoreline paths and a few turned out to be old tarped log cabin camps. Most paths were beaver or moose trails.

I will be up on South Lake the 2nd week August ....8/10 - 8/17/13 fishing with my buds. If you plan to go then ... stop in for a few beers and supper if you like.

Lakes are stained and have plenty of walleye and pike and perch. I have not caught a laker.

I will be at Canoecopia and we can visit Friday and/or Saturday night.

Mike (Wally13)

  
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Reply #19 - Feb 11th, 2013 at 1:27pm
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Thanks for the info, Wally!  I kind of thought that would be the case as I spent a good bit of this past weekend eyeballing every photograph I could find of the area.  I saw plenty of trees.  My two trips into Woodland Caribou Park mostly gave me confidence that tree cover in Opasquia would be adequate.  There WERE a few areas in WCPP, however, where trees were pretty thinned-out & scraggly looking and one might have been hard-pressed to find a solution that didn't involve large rocks (a hanging arrangement I haven't tried, as yet).

If I go up to Opasquia it will most likely be as part of this 2014 initiative that Marten is rolling out.  2013 would actually work out better for me in some ways but logistics & costs dictate that I coordinate my plans with others headed in that direction.

I look forward to discussing Opasquia & other canoeing adventures at Copia in one month!

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