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Re: Opasquia 2014
Reply #30 - Apr 2nd, 2013 at 3:58pm
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Any more progress on nailing down prices or dates for this trip?

Might be a good idea to get some approximate dates so others can plan. I know that it's a ways off, but it will creep up fast in the end.

Is Viking our best bet for air travel? Who flies for Big Hook?
What are their canoe rates? I'm only asking in case someone has already checked rates. Otherwise, I'm fine with emailing them.
Would also be nice to have a list of people whose plans are definite, and definite-maybe's. So far, I AM IN. Put me on the list.
Do others have thoughts of what route they would plan? Obviously there are a lot of interconnected waterways that one could paddle with presumably fewer portages, but it'd be nice if peoples plans were in the open so others could shoot off in other directions for the sake of gathering more info about the park.
Ok, so I am obviously excited here and maybe jumping the gun a little. It just sounds like a great trip and I am anxious to plan!
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Re: Opasquia 2014
Reply #31 - Apr 2nd, 2013 at 7:57pm
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Solotrip -

DentonDoc & I hope to connect directly w/Solotrip late this month at the Midwest Mountaineering Show.  There may be more to discuss then.  Harlan was good enough to share with me some of the parameters of his being able to make this happen while we visited some at CanoeCopia in March.  Sounded like it was going to be a major PITA & expense for him to get special park permission to cache canoes in Opasquia.  The option that (at least a month ago) sounded more likely was to secure solid commitments, dates & upfront money from 6-10 paddlers; that would enable him to make things happen.  That option involved the "re-usable" tandem which goes in with the first team & comes out with the last.  As I said, I hope to have a better handle on logistics by the end of this month.

Re: Big Hook, that would be a separate deal from Solotrip entirely.  The picture I get is there are some competitive  commercial "terrritorial" issues that would prevent collaboration of those two potential providers.  I suppose there is value in someone approaching Big Hook re: what they might be able to do... especially if we are able to put forward the prospect for 6-10 paddling customers.  We have at least one QJer who uses Red Hook just about every year for basecamp/cabin style "American Plan" fishing trips.  I'm sure he could put us in touch with someone who can "negotiate."

Before I go there, though, I want to hear what Harlan comes up with.

I suspect once we see a couple plan proposals sketched out that we'll begin to rally around one or another and start talking firm dates & commitments.  Let's all be wary though.  The BEST way to ensure a commitment will be FIRM (& we all want that!) is for money to hit the table.

Joe, I share your eagerness for this adventure!

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Reply #32 - Apr 2nd, 2013 at 8:57pm
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Anyone that has plans to be in on this could post their wishes here. I am assuming that this thing will take up half the summer. I hope to spend 4-5 weeks up there.

I did E-mail Big Hook Camps about their canoes but received no response. I would like to talk to them but have not called.

If we have a list of committed paddlers and their preference for dates and duration  of stay we can start more planning. Once we lay out a schedule for 4-6 weeks we would have a better grasp on the final cost. It is going to depend on how efficiently we can use each leg of the plane flights.

If we can have three paddlers on every flight it will be cheapest. This would allow the common canoe to be used and another could be taken in and out on each trip. Pak canoes will add to the versatility.

There is so much that can be done to make this work easier. I would like to see common info packets that each group could add details to and leave for the next group.   
  
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Re: Opasquia 2014
Reply #33 - Apr 2nd, 2013 at 11:42pm
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I have permission from my wife to go! 
I can handle either end of a canoe but prefer the front.  I also like a solo canoe.  For a trip like this I would prefer a 2 week trip.   I like sleeping in my hammock but if some one has tent space available I would leave my hammock at home to save weight.   I am flexible about the trip.  What else do you need to know?
  Does anyone have a outfitters form we could all fill out so Martin would have all the information in a uniform format? 
  
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Reply #34 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 12:36am
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Joe -

I'm hoping to meet up with you and Steve on Friday, Apr 26th at the Midwest show.  I know that both Harlan and Claire plan to attend, so maybe we can all (including Jimbo) get together at some point during that weekend. 

Although I haven't coordinated any of this with Jimbo yet, my plan goes something like this:

My preference would be for mid- to late-July put-in for a 2 week "on-the-water" trip (but being retired, I have plenty of flexibility on this).

My understanding is that East Lake would likely serve as an operational hub for this adventure.  With East Lake having in excess of 20 miles of "straight line" paddling (you'd actually make something like a "J" route) before hitting the class 2-3 rapids headed west toward Cocos or Joint Lakes, I'd likely spend much of my time exploring that lake and the multitude of side channels.  If I decide to do an out-and-back headed west, I'd first check out the 80 rod "portage" south of the rapids.  Going to the south end of East Lake, I'd be interested in checking out the abandoned Native American fish camps, but would not likely proceed any further south than that due to what I've seen labeled as a "heavy use" area in the lake just beyond (and just beyond that you get into an area that is served by the main lodge of Big Hook Outfitters).  There is also a glacial moraine that approaches the shoreline in this area that might also be interesting to see.

I have a solo pakcanoe which should facilitate things a bit, since it can be loaded as "gear" in the plane.  I'll insure its efficacy for such a trip with a fly-in/fly-out trip to WCPP this year. (Actually I can configure it for a tandem, but I don't believe it suitable for that purpose for anything longer than a weekend-type trip.)

I'd be OK with a group of 3 (seems the cheapest way to do it) where a tandem canoe might be strapped on the floats with an opportunity for each to swap positions in the available water craft.

I do fish, but enjoy exploring at least as much ... and I don't have to make a lot of miles to have fun.

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Re: Opasquia 2014
Reply #35 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 12:50am
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I have 12 that want in on this trip. I have myself, Denton Doc, Majic Paddler, Prouboy, Bogwalker, Jimbo, Northman, Mike Kinz., Hogan, Bob B, Portagekeeper and Waleswalker. Have I missed anyone?

I drew up a few diagrams to get an idea of how scheduling would work. I assumed that 2 weeks would be what most would want. Mike Kinz. and I are wanting longer.

With the tax added Harlan's estimate is about $3500 for each round trip up to Opasquia and returning to Red Lake.

If there were only two paddlers going up then they would have to pay for two $3500 flights. Trip cost for each $3500.

If there were 8 paddlers and they went up and back 2 at a time it would require 5 round trips with the plane =$17500
Divided 8 ways would be about $2200 per paddler.

If we used a common canoe taken in on the first trip and someone had a Pak boat inside the plane we could get 11 or 12 paddlers using 5 round trips=$17500
Divided by 11 it would cost each person about $1600

Allowing for two weeks between flights it would take 8 weeks for the 5 flights. Depending on final commitments this time span will vary. It would not take many more paddlers to fill the season.

I have used round numbers but look them over and see if I have missed something.
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Re: Opasquia 2014
Reply #36 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 12:55am
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You missed Joe (portagekeeper).

And, you don't necessarily need 8 weeks if some of the trips overlap by a week (might have more than 1 party in the park at a time).  However, this does complicate scheduling just a little.  Given the overlapping scenario, it would even be possible for a few 1 week trips.

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Reply #37 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 3:37am
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I avoided overlapping trips because I think it would create more half-full or empty hauls and those cost would have to be shared. With more paddlers it would work but we may have to hire a bookkeeper.
  
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Reply #38 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 5:05am
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Marten wrote on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 3:37am:
I avoided overlapping trips because I think it would create more half-full or empty hauls and those cost would have to be shared. With more paddlers it would work but we may have to hire a bookkeeper.

Agreed.  In addition, the single tandem canoe awating the next crew would also have an additional level of complication.

In the end, simple is better.  (But should it get beyond that, I believe I have ample tools at my disposal to deal with the problem ... and my personal time is not really an issue.)

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Reply #39 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 1:51pm
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DentonDoc wrote on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 5:05am:
Marten wrote on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 3:37am:
I avoided overlapping trips because I think it would create more half-full or empty hauls and those cost would have to be shared. With more paddlers it would work but we may have to hire a bookkeeper.

Agreed.  In addition, the single tandem canoe awating the next crew would also have an additional level of complication.

In the end, simple is better.  (But should it get beyond that, I believe I have ample tools at my disposal to deal with the problem ... and my personal time is not really an issue.)

dd


Thanks DD, This is a group project and all input and assistance is much appreciated.
  
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