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May 1st, 2013 at 4:21pm
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It's not pure wilderness like Quetico or BWCA or WCPP but it certainly has its moments...

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Reply #1 - May 2nd, 2013 at 1:16pm
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and lots of people.  six million acres is misleading, as that is the total inside the "blue line" - much of that is private land, though private land development within is under some controls

the ratio of dirt to water is higher than quetico for sure - lot more longer portages for shorter paddles on ponds, and more bwacky in that campsites often have leantos and pottys, and some can be reserved, and others are a race to get there ahead of the weekend crowds before they are all taken

not putting the daks down, just sayin

I'm thinking of doing some tripping there in a few years - we have a camp near Old Forge, on the start of NFCT so could just toss the boat in the water and go do the 90 miler course - just need the time to do it "someday" - I'd like to get up there for "Moosefest" too, and paddle parts of the Moose R I haven't been on
  
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Reply #2 - May 2nd, 2013 at 6:34pm
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Mad Mat:

Agreed! The place is very busy, except at really off times of year and in very remote places. In fact, when I think of the Adirondacks, I think hiking not paddling.

Nevertheless, it still has some beautiful spots and mountain views one can't get in the Boundary Waters or Quetico.

Quetico is still my place of choice, don't get me wrong.
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 10:28pm
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Hi guys.  I have never had the pleasure of visiting the BWCA or Quietco.  Living in NJ the Adirondacks is my only option for real canoeing for a 1 or 2 week period.  There are many wonderful spots and several motor free areas to explore.  Considering it is only a 5 hour drive from New York City and Northern NJ the place is a blessing!  By the way, Old Forge is not a place to go to find solitude.
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 27th, 2013 at 1:45pm
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Reply #5 - Aug 20th, 2013 at 2:34am
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That's excellent! I was just back east visiting family and was wondering if something like this existed...my niece's boyfriend just paddled Verendrye (north of Ottowa/Montreal) and highly recommended it. Here's the link (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links). Franco-phobes can switch it to English in upper right corner of site Wink
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 6th, 2013 at 3:32am
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Hey Phoenix, I'll be driving through the Adirondacks in 2 days!  Tomorrow, I'll be the finger lakes region. 

Looking forward to it!  I know I won't have time to really get to see it, but am still looking forward to driving through it.

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Reply #7 - Oct 8th, 2013 at 10:20am
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Living in NJ the Adirondacks is my only option for real canoeing for a 1 or 2 week period

It is a bit longer drive, but Allagash Waterway in Maine is another option, far closer to a BWCA type experience.
  
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I just spent the last 3 days wandering through the Adirondack Park, Vermont, and New Hampshire.  THe next week will find me doing the same in Maine. 

This country is SPECTACULAR.  Words don't describe the beauty of the lakes and mountains. 

If I was 30 years younger, I'd seriously look at moving here! 

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It IS a great place to live! Spent several years at Pinkham Notch (base of Mt. Washington in northern NH). Skiied the Connecticut lakes area winter and hiked the AT sections in the summer. Trout fishing can't be beat! Lake Champlain has some BIG walleyes but not from personal experience Sad. My wife and I always joke that Vermont is where old hikers go to retire...because the Green Mts are a bit easier on the back going up and the knees coming down! Enjoy...green with envy back here  Smiley
  
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Reply #10 - Oct 11th, 2013 at 3:18pm
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HighnDry wrote on Oct 10th, 2013 at 1:40pm:
It IS a great place to live! Spent several years at Pinkham Notch (base of Mt. Washington in northern NH). Skiied the Connecticut lakes area winter and hiked the AT sections in the summer. Trout fishing can't be beat! Lake Champlain has some BIG walleyes but not from personal experience Sad. My wife and I always joke that Vermont is where old hikers go to retire...because the Green Mts are a bit easier on the back going up and the knees coming down! Enjoy...green with envy back here  Smiley


Yes it is. I grew up in upstate NY and the Adirondacks was a common destination for vacations and Scouts.  Then I lived in Maine for several years.  Always thought I'd like to live in northern Vermont except for the politics.  So I guess it's why I'm intrigued by the North Forest Canoe Trail - a water route from Old Forge NY to Fort Kent ME - 740 miles, with 22 rivers and streams, 56 lakes and ponds, and 62 portages totaling 55 miles.  (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 11th, 2013 at 9:59pm
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Bill,

Interesting that you mentioned Scouts.  I'm hoping your or maybe some of the good folks here can help me out.  I'm helping my Scout troop work on planning a trip in the Daks area next summer.  We're looking for a bit of paddling and maybe some hiking around 7-8 days worth or so.  Been up in the Q 8 times, 3 with the Scouts, so that's pretty much 'trip in a box' for me now. We've got a group that's not quite "high adventure' eligible, but want to get into the woods.   We'll probably bring our own gear, but need some tips on getting started, where might we go, etc.  Working with a known, reputable outfitter might work well too.  Any suggestions from you or anyone knowledgeable in the area would be most appreciated.

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Reply #12 - Oct 13th, 2013 at 12:28pm
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It is a bit longer drive, but Allagash Waterway in Maine is another option, far closer to a BWCA type experience.
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Azalea --  I'm sitting in a house on the Maine coast, an hour north of Acadia NP, thinking about next year's canoe season.  The Allagash is intrigues me.  I've got to learn more about this water. 

Can you refer me to anyone/any books or other sources of info? 

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Reply #13 - Oct 13th, 2013 at 12:32pm
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BillConner wrote on Oct 11th, 2013 at 3:18pm:
HighnDry wrote on Oct 10th, 2013 at 1:40pm:
It IS a great place to live! Spent several years at Pinkham Notch (base of Mt. Washington in northern NH). Skiied the Connecticut lakes area winter and hiked the AT sections in the summer. Trout fishing can't be beat! Lake Champlain has some BIG walleyes but not from personal experience Sad. My wife and I always joke that Vermont is where old hikers go to retire...because the Green Mts are a bit easier on the back going up and the knees coming down! Enjoy...green with envy back here  Smiley


Yes it is. I grew up in upstate NY and the Adirondacks was a common destination for vacations and Scouts.  Then I lived in Maine for several years.  Always thought I'd like to live in northern Vermont except for the politics.  So I guess it's why I'm intrigued by the North Forest Canoe Trail - a water route from Old Forge NY to Fort Kent ME - 740 miles, with 22 rivers and streams, 56 lakes and ponds, and 62 portages totaling 55 miles.  (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)


I'm very interested in canoeing in the Northeast, and this discussion makes me even moreso.  One concern -- finding solitude is important for me.  It's why I gave up on the BWCA, and now am exploring the Woodland Caribou.  With NYC and Boston so close, are the NE waterways discussed here crowded with other canoeists?  Is it possible to find solitude on the Allagash or in the Adirondacks?

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Prouboy,

Thanks for the recommend, but we're looking for a trip withing a day's travel of northern Virginia. BSA rule is no more than 8 hours drvining in one day, so Maine would be two days travel on either end. 

I did a trip on the Allagash in 2002.  It was a nice area and as I recall, Allagash Falls was about the halfway point in a 7 day trip and our only portage.  We got windbound one day and the fishing was pretty poor to me, by BW/Q standards, but maybe I just didn't know the area.  Nice scenery, though and fairly remote.

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p-dog

here's a couple of links with info on the Adirondacks

the first, I'm not sure what you get, but you can get a PDF of canoe info and another for hiking

the second is good - scroll down for longer trips

starting in Old Forge and going to Saranac Lake is probably your best bet - lots of boats on the first 8 miles, but not so many after that - it ain't wilderness though

if you just want to put in on a relatively quiet lake and hang out and hike nearby consider Stillwater Res.

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paddling.net has a lot of resources you might want to look at also - top line menu - "Go Paddling"  lots of river trials - Susquehana River might work for you - this weeks picture of the week is pretty - Cedar River Flow
  
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Thanks for the leads MM!  I actually found the same canoe outfitter on line yesterday - good info.  Have you used them?  Another leader of ours has a connection to MACS Canoe Livery in Lake Clear, I just found out.  Gonna check into that.  The St. Regis Canoe Area seems pretty nice too.  It's been suggested to look at a Long Lake, Raquette River, Upper Saranac Lake, Floodwood area for a 50 miler. Thanks for suggesting the Old Forge route.  BTW...what a nice pic on paddling.net on the Cedar.

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p dog - (a bit late on the reply - missed your question)

no, I have not used any of the outfitters up there.

if you are in the Old Forge area and are interested in a day trip, Mountain Man outfitter/store can shuttle you up to the Rondaxe road for a day trip down North Branch Moose River - flatwater with one portage at the RR bridge (1/4 mile or so).  that is a nice stretch of river, with no camps and no motor boats at all - end the trip back at Mtn Man's store in Thendara.

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I'm reviving this thread only because there are some great links and recommendations from others and I've been put in charge of planning next year's trip for a group of 8 into......drum roll...the Adirondacks. Going to be researching guide books, maps and outfitters to find a little bit of something for everyone this time around including cabin stays for the home-bound and a bit more "adventure" for those of us with "restless-paddle-syndrome" (RPS)...As always, advice is most welcome Smiley
  
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Thanks for reviving. I missed some,now am considering an eastern venue for a trip with my son next June.  He's in new PA and canoe country is a long haul. Any other suggestions between Chicago and north of Scranton for flat water or easy river welcomed. Keep thinking there must be something in western PA.
  
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Portage dog - I apologize for the very late response. Anyway, council had two camps in Adirondacks - Sabattus and Woodlands. After that, our troop several times climbed Mt Marcy.

After 50 years, I don't recall many details.
  
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Bill,

We went through there last December and skirted the Allegany State Forest (spelling is correct) on the NY side which connects to the Allegheny National Forest on PA side. After living in PA for about 18 years way back when (down near Philly) I would say that part of the state (northwest) would be the most enticing to me. There are some other great mountainous river systems near Williamstown but I don't know how navigable. Whitewater can be had down by Pittsburgh towards the Ohio...but then...that's whitewater Smiley Check out (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)...they are out of Warren. Might be a place to start for planning...let me know what you find out too!
  
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"if you are in the Old Forge area and are interested in a day trip, Mountain Man outfitter/store can shuttle you up to the Rondaxe road for a day trip down North Branch Moose River - flatwater with one portage at the RR bridge (1/4 mile or so).  that is a nice stretch of river, with no camps and no motor boats at all - end the trip back at Mtn Man's store in Thendara."

Well, since Mad Mat's advice is always good, I took it and that is just what I did a few days ago (7/10/15) - Mountainman's rental fleet was about 50 kayaks, 4 or 5 tandems, and one lonely solo.  An Old Town  "Next" solo - kind of a hybrid, sit on the floor - or rather on a lawn chair like seat I didn't like, but I'd brought a seat cushion to raise up a bit higher, and it paddled well enough. portaging it would have been painful with that seat arrangement, but I used the Type IV cushion as padding, and it carried ok, if a bit heavy at 60 lbs or so.

But for $46 plus tax ($48.50 or so) that included the shuttle to Rondaxe Rd., it was a nice deal.  Took me 3 hours, including the 1/4 mile portage - apparently that was a "record", as all 3 of the guys from the rental shop were amazed I was back so early - they say allow 5 to 6 hours. Something between 10 and 15 miles - would have to look it up.

I hadn't done that stretch of the Moose river in maybe 15 years, and it was nice to get back on it - good current helped (from a lot of rain several weeks in a row earlier on).

So if you are up in that neck of the woods, it is definitely worth doing.  Mtn man will shuttle your own canoes if you have them.   I had a 15' Grumman I could have used, but the $46 rate was a lot easier than cobbling together a boat rack to carry the Grumman, and the Next did paddle easier than the tandem would have, and portaged a bit lighter as well.
  
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Hello everyone. Just thought I would revive this and post some info.
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Yes it is crowded on weekends in the summer (Memeorial Day to Labor Day) but weekdays are tolerable.  The week before labor day is a good time to go (just get the hell out on the Friday before Labor Day!).  After Labor  Day is a great time and you can still go swimming during the day.  I still need to make it up to Canada!
  
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