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 10 Tandem Bell vs Souris River (Read 11982 times)
zski
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Tandem Bell vs Souris River
Jun 9th, 2014 at 1:59pm
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For those that have paddled both Northwind 17 (17'6") and SR17
How do they compare? tracking/handling, build quality, etc...
I've paddled a SR quetico (18'),but not the SR17 so that's my only point of reference.
  
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Re: Tandem Bell vs Souris River
Reply #1 - Jun 9th, 2014 at 3:16pm
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zski,
Can't comment on any of that, but while your in Atikokan, you should take a tour of the SR plant and check them out.

Won't answer the track/handling, but the build quality is something you can see firsthand.
I've abused that Q 16 I rent thru Dave not intentionally but due to conditions.
IF there's a tougher canoe out in the same price range, I'd like to hear about it.
  
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Reply #2 - Jun 10th, 2014 at 3:12am
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I have not paddled the Bell but I own 3 Souris Rivers a Q16 setup for solo,Q17 and a Wilderness 18. The Q17 it is the canoe the wife and I paddle. She has a arm the size of a broom handle so it is more like I am paddling solo with my sweety up front.  The Q17 is a very manageable canoe and it will haul everything you need for 7-10 on the water.
  
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Re: Tandem Bell vs Souris River
Reply #3 - Jun 10th, 2014 at 2:52pm
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I am picking up a Bell Northwind 17'6" from Seagull Outfitters for a friend this friday and taking it up to Kawnipi for eight nights. I'll give you a report on it's handling.  I have a Mad River Northwoods also 17'6" in a kevlar layup that I have had for 21 years.  This will be my immediate comparison.  I have paddled the Souris river 18'6" with three in the canoe and a labrador.  It handled quite well. I've had my eye on the Bell Northwoods for a few years now.
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Reply #4 - Jun 10th, 2014 at 3:19pm
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Thanks for the helpful inputs on this guys. Fallguy that's quite a collection. Will the next one be a Q15 or Q19?  Smiley
  
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Reply #5 - Jun 11th, 2014 at 1:48am
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I am looking for a Wenonah Advantage for a work out canoe and to do some citizen class racing. Wink
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 11th, 2014 at 12:46pm
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I don't have much experience with SR canoes except for one trip where I rented one.  I was pleased - tracked well with good speed. Harlan at Red Lake Outfitters has alway featured them and that says something to me as well.  I haven't paddled a Northwind.  I have, however, been paddling a Bell Northstar, the Northwind's slightly smaller (16-8) sister, for many years.  It is probably the best flat water tandem that I've personally ever paddled.  I like David Yost's distinctive tumblehome designs, they make it easier to get your paddle over the gunnel without having to reach quite so much (although in rough water they will ship more than conventional designs like the Swift Kipawa.)  You may find them tippy when you first get in but the secondary stability is second to none especially when loaded,  they track beautifully and are fast.  I've had mine out in some pretty hairy wind and surf and felt secure - very, what Yost calls,  "sea kindly."  In a group, paddling skills being equal, the Northstar/Northwind won't be left behind by any canoe out there.  By the way, are you looking at a used Bell canoe or Ted's latest incarnation - Northstar Canoes?  I'm not sure if the The Northwinds in his new line are identical to the original Bells because the ads say they are "based on" the old designs.  That's probably because he sold the rights to the original moulds and had to make slight modifications for legal reasons. And by the way, the Swift Keewaydin, also a Yost design, is almost identical to the old Bell Northwind and might be considered as a reasonable alternative to the Northwind if it is more available.
  
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Reply #7 - Jun 11th, 2014 at 2:37pm
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Kerry,
secondary stability and 'sea kindly' trumps primary stability any day so that's good to know. I've been eying the used northwinds from the piragis site for a couple years now. it seems they cycle them pretty frequently so shouldn't take long before the new northstars start showing up on the list. maybe worth the wait. Didn't know the Swift Kipawa Keewaydin 17 was similar and a DY design. There's a nice little video on their site with DY talking about the boat and the rational for how he set up the rocker, etc. good stuff.
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Reply #8 - Jun 11th, 2014 at 8:18pm
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Actually the Kipawa is a John Winter not a DY design and though they are similar in terms of design purpose they are, nonetheless, distinctly different.  Some say the Northstar was designed with the Boundary Waters in mind while the Kipawa was designed for Algonquin Park.  I don't know if that's really true but you do see a lot of Kipawas in Algonquin and a lot of Northstars in Boudary Waters.  However DY did design the Keewaydin 17 for Swift and it is very similar to the Northstar/Northwind in all respects.
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Reply #9 - Jun 11th, 2014 at 9:25pm
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I said Kipawa when was thinking Keewayden. Multi-multi-tasking...
even watched the keewayden vid. not sure how that happened. thanks for the correction
  
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