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Souris River Tranquility?
Nov 20th, 2014 at 8:29pm
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Has anyone here paddled Souris River's solo Tranquility? I have their Quetico 16 rigged for solo right now. Its plenty squirrely on flat water which of course means great on a crooked river. I am wondering if the Tranquility tracks better. I have paddled a Wenonah Advantage they go straight but they can be stubborn to turn. I am looking for the sweet spot. What are you solo guys paddling?
  
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Reply #1 - Nov 20th, 2014 at 9:58pm
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I paddle a rented Q-16 solo, paddling from the front seat. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by being "squirrely" on flat water?

I've found that if I keep the heaviest pack the closest to the bow, it handles okay considering the "solo" seat is a little too far back for optimum handling.

It's slower than a true solo for sure, but with my faithful double paddle, it's an acceptable for the tradeoff of stability and load capacity and
ease of loading.

I did paddle an older Tranquility one time and it was the only time I've went over solo.
The newer models with the sliding seat and height adjustability might be better stability wise, but I'd rent one and bring all my packs along and see if they'll fit in the canoe without sticking up becoming a wind catcher and even more important raising the center of gravity.

I had to lay my one of my full size packs sideways and the other was flat but sticking way up above the gunnels.
I never felt comfortable because it was so unstable I knew the slightest mis-step I was going over.

If your gear is solo size, then that may not be as issue, but I'd try before I buy for sure.

When I buy a Q-16, I'll move the seat a little more towards the center and relocate the yoke, so I can remove the front seat and get the load even further toward the bow when solo.
I took the "front" seat out this year on in my rental, and I noticed a significant difference in handling being able to slide heaviest pack closer to the bow.

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Reply #2 - Nov 21st, 2014 at 4:55am
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I paddle an Advantage and have taken it all over the Q in some pretty harsh conditions. I travel light (usually single portage) and like the speed and tracking of the hull. After all I spend most of the time going relatively straight- for the crooked parts I just learned to work the boat.
  
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Reply #3 - Nov 21st, 2014 at 2:34pm
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Solo Tripper the Q16 I have only has 1 seat mounted midship. It was setup for solo only. I have thought about relocating the seat back several inches to see if that would improve the tracking.
  
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Reply #4 - Nov 21st, 2014 at 3:06pm
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I didn't realize you had the now discontinued Q-16 Solo. I think you might be on to something with your idea about moving the solo center seat, aft a little bit.

I'm no canoe expert that's for sure but I've read some on the merits of having a center seat solo and one setting back some.
I understood from the Souris River web site that your solo Q-16's seat was set a little back from true center?

Depending on how you load your packs/weight distribution counting your weight, it still might need to go back further?

I like to set-up slightly bow heavy, and setting the tandem up as pictured seem to my experience a step in the right direction.

Since you already have the canoe, it would seem to make sense you see if moving your seat backward would make it better for you.

I think at least to my admittedly limited experience, this guy makes a lot of sense.

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Reply #5 - Nov 21st, 2014 at 3:52pm
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A flat bottom boat will slide side to side easier than one with more of an arc in it's bottom cross section regardless of the rocker.  Maybe that's what's happening??
Plus ST uses a kayak paddle so he's limiting the need to switch sides for course corrections.
Maybe you should try a kayak paddle first??
Or work on your J stroke with a straight blade?
A good J stroke won't slow you down like a rudder does, and can be very enjoyable.

I read ST's Redrock link and it's probably right about using a J stroke sitting in the center. If you've in a flat bottom boat it'll side slip more than turn. But I know from experience that it works fine in a boat with a more rounded hull, i.e. Argosy, Voyager, Racing C-1. But SR are usually more flat bottom so the J may not be the answer.
  
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Reply #6 - Nov 21st, 2014 at 4:50pm
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"I am wondering if the Tranquility tracks better. I have paddled a Wenonah Advantage they go straight but they can be stubborn to turn. I am looking for the sweet spot. What are you solo guys paddling? "

tranquility is not going to fit that sweet spot I don't think.  I've never paddled one, but from what I've heard they are hard tracking - met a guy on a portage in Quetico that was using a rented Tranquility - he hated it and was exiting earlier than planned because he disliked the boat so much - he said it was hard to turn and that's what he didn't like


the link below is to P-net reviews - only two for this boat; both mention tracking - straight keel 

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I have a Bell Merlin II and Mad River Independence and Wen Rendezvous and PakCanoe 150 - none are "hard tracking" - I like to be able to turn my boats without a fight.

just guessing, but I'd say the Merlin II would be what you are wanting - would have to find a used one though.  Magic is harder tracking than the Merlin, but I think less so than Tranquility.   best to test drive if possible - when I was looking to buy I test paddled Merlin and Magic back to back twice on a lake in somewhat windy conditions - the Merlin was what I wanted for sure after that. (mine is set up with the higher hung seat for sitting, not kneeling)

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Reply #7 - Nov 21st, 2014 at 7:57pm
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Lucky me......I never test paddled anything other than having had a Coleman plastic canoe and went and bought a Merlin, then drove to the Q without having even tried it........ that was a decade ago and I have never regretted the choice. Good all around boat.........
  
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Reply #8 - Nov 21st, 2014 at 10:21pm
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Mad_Mat wrote on Nov 21st, 2014 at 4:50pm:
"I am wondering if the Tranquility tracks better. I have paddled a Wenonah Advantage they go straight but they can be stubborn to turn. I am looking for the sweet spot. What are you solo guys paddling? "

tranquility is not going to fit that sweet spot I don't think.  I've never paddled one, but from what I've heard they are hard tracking - met a guy on a portage in Quetico that was using a rented Tranquility - he hated it and was exiting earlier than planned because he disliked the boat so much - he said it was hard to turn and that's what he didn't like


the link below is to P-net reviews - only two for this boat; both mention tracking - straight keel 

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I have a Bell Merlin II and Mad River Independence and Wen Rendezvous and PakCanoe 150 - none are "hard tracking" - I like to be able to turn my boats without a fight.

just guessing, but I'd say the Merlin II would be what you are wanting - would have to find a used one though.  Magic is harder tracking than the Merlin, but I think less so than Tranquility.   best to test drive if possible - when I was looking to buy I test paddled Merlin and Magic back to back twice on a lake in somewhat windy conditions - the Merlin was what I wanted for sure after that. (mine is set up with the higher hung seat for sitting, not kneeling)

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Ted Bell's new company, Northstar Canoes, makes a "Northwind Solo" which is very similar to the Merlin II.  Check it out. 

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Reply #9 - Nov 22nd, 2014 at 8:16am
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I rented a Tranquility two years ago and loved it. Beaverhouse- Cirrus - Kasakokwog- Quetico - Beaverhouse.  I wouldn't want to ever pad sf le another solo.

I'm 6'-2", 225, a duffer that loves paddling, sit, hit and switch with a straigh shaft.
  
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