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Reply #30 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 2:27pm
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Jimbo, I'd be happy to go along on any trip with you. I'm sure we'd have some laughs.

MP, Most new cars aren't using the forward roof space for a rack. I also see the need for where you attached your Thule system. The Outback has it rack extended up close to it's front though, so there's no open area left. The factory rack is just not usable, mostly closed off plastic covering. I see the need to remove factory rack and check it's mounting system. It just might accept the rails you used or the Yakima "Landing Pads".

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Reply #31 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 2:29pm
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I'll have to check out that Menards brand tape. I've had hit and misses with duct tape. Sometimes the no-name stuff is good, other times it's just a waste of money as cheap as it might of been.

I found this duct tape review. Not every brand is listed/tested, but it tells you what to look for in a good duct tape material wise. Not all so called duct tapes are the same that's for sure. My tape was the best tested for outdoor exposure but not for overall home use.

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Reply #32 - Dec 24th, 2014 at 4:08pm
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Jimbo, Have you befriended an auto body-shop guy yet? Someone who can help you get under your headliner and remove the factory racks. (Stay away from your side curtain airbags IMO.)
Share please. It's a problem others will face. Very limited choices that carry long boats well.
  
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Reply #33 - Dec 24th, 2014 at 6:24pm
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Jim J -

I'm not sweating the issue anymore & here's why.  With four guys & their packs, I'm not likely to fit it all in the Outback anyway!  2nd canoe will go on 2nd car.

I'm just hoping I even get to do a canoe trip this year... the wife has other ideas that may get in the way.  It seems the idea of a bicycling & canal boat trip across France - with in-laws - is gaining steam.   I'm sure there is something very seriously wrong with me but the very notion of it just gets ME "steamed up."  Those type adventures (ordeals?) eat up a bunch of vacation time (ie. paddling time).

Alas, I expect I'll get my head around it somehow (probably she wraps my head around it).  I suppose I could pretend (might not be pretending) that doing without a serious canoe trip in 2015 would drive me wacko (I don't have all that far to drive) and that I might do something dangerous (like give her the "Joan of Arc" treatment).

Anyhow, the double-canoe car rack issue has pretty much become a moot one for me.

C'est la vie, mon ami!

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Reply #34 - Dec 24th, 2014 at 7:07pm
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Anyway, I may be down to building a home system using 2 X 4's - which is fine, I guess


To me, this is like saying there is a functionally ideal solution which would cost less than $25 but is there a commercial product I can buy for $150 that will do the same thing but not quite as well.

Buy  one 2x4x8 and cut into 2 pieces of about 4' (make the exact length you need, get a 10' 2x4 if needed).  Buy 6 eyebolts. Drill holes at ends and center of the 2x4s and insert eyebolts.  Buy 4 lashing straps.  Whenever you want to transport canoes, attach 2x4s to rack with lashing straps. (Options: Make an angle cut across front of 2x4s to lessen wind resistance. Paint the 2x4s, or decorate in some fashion. Wrap bicycle padding tape, or something similar,  around base of eyebolt to create a bumper between canoe and eyebolt.).

What can a store bought system give you that makes for a better solution?
  
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Reply #35 - Dec 24th, 2014 at 7:31pm
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The problem is the nature of the roof rack on the Outbacks.  As MagicPaddler pointed out, there is only about 18 inches of "open" space on either side for the purpose of lashing down 2X4's or a pre-fab store-bought product (at what I agree are exorbitant prices).  Jim J is right; I'd likely have to have a Subaru rack guy (or some other specialist) do some "customizing" in order to obtain the necessary spread between the front and back bars (or 2X4's).  I can't think of a good way to clamp down 2X4's to the closed ends of the parallel roof racks.

I'm not exactly sure what the point is of "closing off" side racks on the Outback and leaving but 18 inches width of open space.  It would seem to limit functionality of the rack system.  Nevertheless, I'm sure there must be some rhyme or reason to it.

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Reply #36 - Dec 25th, 2014 at 4:24pm
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Jimbo, You're right about the cars' inside space. Two tandems, means 4 people and their gear too. Not many cars can do that either, without using a trailer too. I've always tried to be able to do that, so I've used minivans or crossover vehicles, but think my hosting newbees days are over.

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Reply #37 - Dec 25th, 2014 at 5:02pm
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Those are outstanding words-to-the-wise, Jim J!  Will do & thanks.

Merry Christmas, all!

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Reply #38 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 10:46pm
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Jimbo,

I've used a Yakima rack with 66 in bars with my Subaru. Sold the Subaru and now use it on my Matrix. Have also used it on my wife's Prius. I put a Champlain and a cargo box which worked well. I can extend by picking up a pair of aluminum conduit bars at Menard's and cutting to 72in which is my second system when the other one is in use.

This gives me two systems that I can leave on each car for the summer.

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Reply #39 - Dec 31st, 2014 at 3:25pm
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Here's another thought for someone with a newer vehicle that just doesn't have the desired between the bars spread you'd like for optimal loading.  If you have a hitch on the vehicle, consider a hitch mounted load bar vs. two on the roof.  Yakima has the Dry Dock, Thule -the Goal Post, Rhino Rack T-Loader.  Not the cheapest route, but could be your answer.  If you are or know a competent welded, make your own.  I have no experience with these, but the Yak looks most stable with the 'y' design.  Adding tie downs would help stablize potential side to side swaying.  I also found the MTN Gearsmith Heavy Duty Pickup Truck Bed Hitch Mounted Extension Extender Rack Ladder Canoe Boat for $89 on line, could work, but looks heavier, less adjustable.  Worth thinking about - FWIW.

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