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Towable gear pod
Mar 21st, 2016 at 3:25pm
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I have a new challenge to solve...I am the proud owner of a 2 yr old Munsterlander Setter dog (adopted) who will add another 60 pounds to my already overloaded Poke boat kayak.  I've researched some plastic pods, made to pull behind kayaks, which seem doable but are also heavy compared to carry capacity.  So now I have ordered an Intex floating cooler (for tubing) which should carry 60 pounds and will try towing THAT with gear in it.  Dog will have to be in kayak with me.
It looks squarish and not too streamlined for towing so I plan to make a silicone-coated fabric "sled" to pull it on through the water which should help in making it slippery and I'll make a contoured, pointed front end on the "sled" to help make it more streamlined.
Cheesy  Remains to be seen how this will work.  Shocked
Any other suggestions out there???
  
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Re: Towable gear pod
Reply #1 - Mar 21st, 2016 at 4:33pm
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To paraphrase that famous movie line, “I think YOU need a bigger boat”.

That added 60 lbs in your boat is basically dead weight even worse than if you had gained it.
Add in towing even a streamlined POD, I just don’t think many people, myself included could do that except maybe in dead calm water and for a short distance.

Towing that POD is going to involve some sort of tow rope set-up which means it’s going to move independently of your boat. I can see so many bad possible scenarios that from a solo paddler’s perspective I don’t think anyone could feel to secure on a solo wilderness trip.

I’m all for McGivering, but I just think it this case you’re really pushing the limits.
NOW if you can figure a way for that 60 lb dog to TOW that POD or at least HELP pull it, then you might be in business. Wink Grin

Maybe a smaller solo/tandem canoe where everything is together and you can still use double paddle and portage it easily might be a safer option for you.
  
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Reply #2 - Mar 21st, 2016 at 5:04pm
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I do need a bigger boat...but looks like I'll be carrying something around 55 pounds if I got one.  I can do it...but not sure I want to do it.  I expect I'll have to stay in camp on really windy days, no matter what; since I can't be sure the dog will stay put until he is more used to the boat and perhaps settled down a bit more.  He's going to be the type to want to dive out of the boat after ducks, etc.  It remains to be seen if I can successfully train him not to jump out on a whim.

I am worried that any type canoe will be quite a bit more unstable than the Poke boat.  In the past I have taken one of our other 60 pound dogs out paddling in the Poke boat and she does very well...stays down and keeps her weight in the middle of the kayak.

A few years ago I had to do a trip where I paddled one poke boat and pulled a cooler and other gear in a second poke boat.  That was not too difficult to do although I did not have to do it against any strong headwinds.  I was in a fairly strong side-wind which drifted the "trailer" downwind from me; I didn't have any fancy towing rope plan to oppose that.  I see one of the pods I researched had a somewhat rigid towing plan made of PVC pipe to hold the boats apart and in line.
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Reply #3 - Mar 21st, 2016 at 5:44pm
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How about one of those smaller sit on top kayaks they sell around 8-9 ft that weigh little and can't fill with water and are really stable? Figure a system where you can pull a rope and disconnect the POD in case of trouble?

How long is you Poke boat, I forget? I know they make some smaller PAK type canoes people use for fishing/duck hunting. Holds a lot of weight and very stable. Something like the Wenonah Fusion canoe?
Wide/stable, even has a ruder option if you want it.

I'm sure you'll figure out something that works and is safe.
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 21st, 2016 at 7:50pm
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IC: If only you could pull on both ends of that poke boat and turn it into a vagabond  (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 22nd, 2016 at 12:03am
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I do really like the idea of the Vagabond and it may be the way I end up going...but would be looking for a used one.  I can't remember off-hand but the price on the Vagabond I think was $2500-3500.  I am very used to the Poke boats and know they are tough...one of mine has been on several trips a year since 1996.  They are also much more stable than some others I have tried...my brother has Old Town kayaks and I can't balance to get in/out of them due to configuration of keel outside and junk under one's feet/butt on the inside.  Angry

I have three Poke boats up here now, they are all the 12 foot models.  I estimate I can get about 350 pounds of gear and self in a 12 footer, but I am pushing the limits of staying afloat and the weight makes the boat plow more than I like.  Once half the food is consumed floating and trim are so much better!

I did spend part of a trip pulling my (then 85 yr old) Dad upwind on Knife Lake; he in his own Poke boat.  It was a pain to do...mostly because of the jerk caused at the end of every stroke of the paddle.  Some kind of bungee cord shock absorb-er would help with that.
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 23rd, 2016 at 4:48am
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Towing anything by paddle will be a job.  Anything less streamlined than a canoe will be a PITA.  But if you insist, here's how to connect the towed object.  (This comes from having towed a loaded solo canoe behind a tandem some years ago.)

This arrangement will prevent the towed craft from slewing sideways badly and eliminate the bumping involved in rope towing.

Don't use a rope.  Use a curved stick about 6 feet long; it should have at least 2-3 inches of curvature.  The stick needs to be arched to clear the deck plates of the two canoes.  If you aren't using canoes, you might be able to use a straight stick.  Attach one end to the stern of the tow craft and the other end to the bow of the towed craft.  If the stick is curved, the arch, should be upward, and the method of attachment should keep it that way.

A much better approach is to use the proper craft so you don't have to tow.  If you're concerned that a canoe won't be stable enough, do the following:

1.  Learn to paddle a canoe.
2.  Get a canoe with a shallow-arch hull and enough capacity to carry what you want.
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 23rd, 2016 at 1:02pm
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1.  Learn to paddle a canoe.


You obviously don't know IC or read her trip reports.
She has as much or maybe more paddling experience than most of us here.

  
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Reply #8 - Mar 23rd, 2016 at 2:02pm
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I'm still going to give the towable cooler raft a try since it is on order and only cost around $30.00.  I know it is not going to be fun to pull anything but shouldn't be too hard except when the wind is against me. 
Meanwhile I am on the hunt for a Vagabond Poke boat.  Found a fairly extensive forum for used Poke boats on "Mykayakingbuddies" web site and might have some luck there.  Anyone know someone with a Vagabond they want to get rid of?  I have several of the 12' Poke boats and could trade or sell one or two if someone wanted to scale down.
  
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Reply #9 - Apr 22nd, 2016 at 2:44pm
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I have located and made a deal on a Poke boat Vagabond; unfortunately it is located in Florida and I will need to pick it up next time I am there.  It raises my canoe weight for portaging to 46 pounds, but still lighter than a lot of watercraft.  In the meantime I am still working on the towable floating cooler plan.  When I get it put together I'll share photos and how well it works.
  
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