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ST's Fall Loop 2016 Gear Review (Read 4266 times)
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ST's Fall Loop 2016 Gear Review
Oct 12th, 2016 at 2:14pm
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       I bought these items and tested them this trip. I think some here might find them a useful addition if they have the same needs as I do.

     The first item is a product made for people who carry those heavy backpack type sprayers all day in the field.
     If your like me, your shoulders give out before your legs/back on most long/hard portages.

These give you a 5” wide x 1/2” padded shoulder strap which means if you have padded straps already, your looking at a full 1” of close cell foam padding. But for me the 5” width is the real winner here. It spreads the load across so much more of your chest area.

     If I want to 2x portage which I do in most cases unless safety is a concern, I carry my food pack which is about 60#+ in the beginning and my day pack with my rain gear/ extra light jacket/fleece hat/saw and it's also my “dump” bag if I go over. About 20#+.

     I don't like dedicated chest packs because I want to be able to see where I place my feet especially on steep down hill areas. I rigged a large carabiner on left food pack strap and have another on haul loop on day pack. When I clip them together the day pack rides on my left hip and I cradle it to my body with left hand. My double paddle is my 3rd leg/walking stick.

     It's hard on my shoulders but this item made all the difference in the world. I only bought one pair and switched between food pack/day pack load and gear pack/canoe but will now get another set. I don't think you'd be disappointed. You have to adjust pack straps for the extra thickness when you first put them on, but a couple of times and your good to go.

I'd give them an A+, except sometimes the want to twist on pack strap ( my fault) so I wish they had 3 Velcro straps. I'll try and add another this winter.

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     The 2nd item is a lightweight jacket liner to replace my old 100w Polar Fleece pullover. I love Polar Fleece, but it's doesn't compress well and it's not the lightest either.

     I carry a wind shirt and rain gear in my day pack that rides right in front of me in canoe. I also want a light
weight jacket of some sort so if it get's cold I can put on over my fleece vest,under wind shirt.

     Many people here the words military surplus and think it's just old used/worn out items from the military, which sometimes it is, but much is brand new NEVER issued items or surplus. Made to exacting specifications and remember there is nothing too good for the government with OUR tax dollars.

     The first jacket liner is what I bought because I already have a Thermoloft heavy jacket for when it really gets cold. It's very well made and the open under arms allow you to vent and still have good arm mobility. For $18 you can't beat it.

The second jacket is what I would have bought IF I didn't have a heavier jacket already. Thermoloft is basically synthetic goose down. Won't argue that it's warmer/lighter, BUT it insulates even if you get it wet, which for me is a huge plus.

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Re: ST's Fall Loop 2016 Gear Review
Reply #1 - Jan 5th, 2017 at 8:11pm
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You have a lot of experience, but I have to quibble with two things.

One, your shoulders don't have to suffer under a pack.  Thick and wide straps are of course helpful, but even moreso is a wide and snug waist belt, along with a properly positioned and adjusted sternum strap.  Transfer 30-40% of the pack weight to your hips and your shoulders will forever thank you.

There are two downsides to the hip belt.  One is that it tends to pull your pants down.  Tighten your belt.  The other is that it tends to make your gluteus medius muscles work overtime.  Let 'em - they'll get stronger.

Two, you can counterbalance some of the back pack weight with a front pack.  It doesn't have to be big, and you don't have to carry it high.  I've found that a 15# daypack does a nice job opposite a 50# back pack.  I extend the straps so it rides low, and my forward and downward view is essentially unobstructed.  There's no need for a third leg unless navigating really rough terrain.
  
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Re: ST's Fall Loop 2016 Gear Review
Reply #2 - Jan 5th, 2017 at 9:39pm
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Since you can't see my pack set-up, you can quibble all you want.

My big old pack has a wide waist belt and sternum strap and I do exactly as you say. I also bring a lot of stuff that many solo paddlers don't. That extra shoulder padding for ME made a big difference this year. Will get another set one for each pack.

I also have the same waistbelt/sternum strap on food pack which is heavier than many solo paddlers because I like to eat well and am willing to carry extra weight at least for now to eat the way I like.

After years in exercise classes and not at home, weak glutes are not and have NEVER been the problem.
My shoulders get sore before my legs give out with the loads I carry.

IF I double portage which I always TRY to do, I go across first with food pack and daypack slung on the front but I don't like a pack in front where I don't have a clear view of where I'm stepping with a heavy load.

My front pack is clipped to a carabiner on left shoulder strap and the front pack rests on left thigh and held in close to the body by my left arm.

Double paddle in right to act as balance stick over really rough terrain or a steep downhill.

It works for me and my way of tripping, don't know about anyone else. To each their own.
  
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Re: ST's Fall Loop 2016 Gear Review
Reply #3 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:05pm
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I purchased one of those $200 packs that they sell at Copia and took it on a trip with 5 other people.  To the person everyone agreed that was the most uncomfortable pack they had ever carried. When I got home I did a little pack research.  At the time I had a loop in the woods that was 3 miles around with a couple of hills that the dog and I did daily.  I had 3 packs I wanted to evaluate. They were ( in order of comfort) Cabela’s external frame pack,  Woods Mason pack, the $200. Pack. I loaded up the packs with 60 lbs and each day I would carry a different pack.  Each pack was carried at least 2 times and never the same pack 2 days in a row. The first thing I noticed was the $200 pack always made my hips hurt and to a lesser extent the Woods pack did.  The frame pack never made my hips hurt and it did a better job of transferring weight off my shoulders. I found that the $200 and the Woods packs hung down below the waist belt and rested on my rump.  This pushed on my rump mussels and made my hips hurt.  The tighter the waist belt the harder it pushed and the more my hips hurt.  I found that if I packed the Woods pack with a couple of smaller items in the bottom and left the waist belt off there was less pressure on my rump and less hip pain.  I sold the $200 pack for $100 and was glad to be rid of it. Two years later I needed another pack for a upcoming trip so I purchased a used pack from an outfitter.  It did not have stays like the Woods pack and carried like a ball on my back but as long as I did not use the waist belt it did not hurt my hips.  Last year I did my first base camp trip in a long time and with a 10 year old.  I wanted a table or two to use in camp.  In trying things out at home I cut 2 pieces of 3/16 plywood that just fit against the padding in the side of the pack that goes against my back. I loaded the pack up and went for a walk.  Wow that pack carried better but it still sat on my rump.  I cut a piece of 1” thick styrene and used double sided tape to attach it to the pad that came in the pack so it rested on the small of my back. This pack is now more comfortable than the Woods pack. On the nest trip I only had one piece of plywood and it still carried fine. I have found that the waist belts on all of the canoe packs I have carried DO NOT TRANSFER WEIGHT there just a pain in the A$$ and not worth the time to fasten them.
  
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Re: ST's Fall Loop 2016 Gear Review
Reply #4 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:47pm
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I have found that the waist belts on all of the canoe packs I have carried DO NOT TRANSFER WEIGHT there just a pain in the A$$ and not worth the time to fasten them.


  Your not alone in that thought. The old school guys never used a waistbelt, they used a TUMPLINE. In countries where the mountain guides carry huge loads for the climbers they sometimes just have a TUMPLINE.

The average person's neck muscles couldn't handle just a tumpline, so they need shoulder straps. Same with a waistbelt. I think a lot has to do with a person's anatomy, where your weak/strong and of course how the pack is designed and loaded.

Most men have "no" hips to speak of compared to a female or in many cases no butt either. If you don't have much of either and your waistbelt keeps slipping down so you keep snugging it, you're going to be causing yourself some pain down the road.

I can snug my waistbelt so it's still comfortable, loosen my shoulder straps and feel all the weight going to hips/ top of the butt. My chest strap will keep the pack in place, but too much weight off my shoulders the pack wants to bounce around. I try for what I think is a 50-50 or maybe 60-40 depending on terrain and distance. Over the years that's what works best for me

I also think a pack is a lot like a canoe in that until you carry/paddle one loaded like you trip, you don't really know if it's the right one for YOU?

.I don't think there is anyone pack that fits all people and so like you did, you find what works best and maybe tweak it a little and call it good.
  
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Re: ST's Fall Loop 2016 Gear Review
Reply #5 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:03pm
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All of my trips have been with Duluth packs, some so old the fade is nearly white.  I doubt I will ever give them up even though I know there are better packs out there.

We did buy one used Kondos food pack from an outfitter and fitted it with one of Kondos corrugated plastic liners which works quite well and has survived many trips.  On several occasions I have actually used the waist belt and thought it helped quite a bit to distribute the load.  That being said, I never use the belt.

When we hit the portage everyone just grabs the heaviest pack they can, grits their teeth and heads down the trail.  Most of the swearing is at the far end and emanates from the poor soul who carried the Paul Bunyan.  We use it because it has the length for the tent bags and axe.

I love my old Duluth packs, but not all of them.  I traded off a Duluth Northwoods because of the funky crossed closure straps that make it nearly impossible to pick it up by the ears.  I also shed a Duluth Kitchen pack because it was short and rode on my back at about my beltline.

Sadly many of the new Duluth pack have been dialed down in materials.  Most of the canvas has gone from 18oz. down to 15oz, the strap width down to ¾”wide where they used to be 1 inch, and the leather is not as fine grained as days gone by.

I do have one used Frost River pack , but I am a bit lost with the reason for the waxed canvas?  It is stiff as a board in cold weather, soaks up dirt and grunge in warm weather and still need a poly liner is you expect dry gear after your pack sits all day in a pouring rain and bilge water.  It does have nice workmanship.

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