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Oct 20th, 2016 at 9:58pm
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A week ago, my wife and I went down the lake we live on for an overniight camp-out.  Luckily the weather was great because when I put up my 15-20 year NorthFace RoadRunner tent, the "windows" in the fly had disinegrated. With that tent destined for the garbage heap, the tent shopping started.

One major problem we have ALWAYS had with backpacking tents is what I considered to be inadequate flies.  One every tent we have had, the fly has not come down low enough to protect the bottom few inches of the tent body wall.  And when my sleeping bag or other such things rest against such a wet wall, moisture seems to wick through.  My preference has been for vestibule tents because in addition to the extra storage, they keep the tent body dry. Yet problems still existed at the head and foot of the tent. And with vestibules, one has to look at the design careful that they allow aduqate ventilation for those hot drizzly nights (more of a concern in my more southern location than for Quetico).

My tent search led me to the Sierra Designs Flash, (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links). The "mini-vestibules" in that tent are at the head and foot of the tent.  The doors are covered by awnings.  There may still be a problem with the doors getting wet, but in my experience that is less a critcal area then the head/foot (time will tell how well the awning works). The Flash seems to have a number of interesting features including the single/double wall hybrid design, the potential for great ventilation, the side mini-vestibules, and others.  So that is is the choice.  Now we have to decide to go with the 2 or the 3 and whether or not to get the regular or FL model.

Given we still have another 2-person tent, we opted for the three to gives us a little extra room when weight is not a high priority.  So now do we get the regular model or the FL.  The FL will cost a little more but I found one at an outlet so the price difference is not that great.  Saving 1.5 pounds is nice, but my biggest convern is waterproofness and durability.  Does anybody out there know anything about fabrics?  This is how the two tent models compare.

Regular:
Fly, 75D Polyester Tafetta, WR/PU1500mm,
Floor, 70D Nylon Tafetta, WR/PU3000mm

FL:
Fly,  20D Nylon Ripstop, Silicone/1500mm PE
Floor, 30D Nylon Ripstop, WR/3000mm PE

So the FL uses thinner material which allows it to be lighter.  But it is different material (ripstop vs taffeta) and it is coated differently. What I have read indicates Silicone is a much better and longer lasting  waterproofing substance.  And it makes the material it is applied to stronger while PU makes the material it is applied to weaker.

My un-educated research has me leaning toward despite its thinness, the FL will actually be comparably strong and more durably waterproof.  Thoughts?
  
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Re: New tent: Sierra Designs Flash
Reply #1 - Oct 21st, 2016 at 6:07pm
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since you said it would be used mostly in humid south, here is my thought:   single wall part is the rainfly/roof  - you may get a lot of condensation there, regardless of the ventilation

I only have one single wall tent - a Black Diamond Firstlight which uses Epic fabric, which is not even totally waterproof - i.e. it breathes.  I do get quite a bit of condensation inside when the temperature swing is large enough - if cold enough, the inside can get coated with frost.  SIL-nylon isn't breathable at all as far as I know.

Otherwise, I have 5 Sierra Designs tents, and all have given me good service (haven't used the 3 man tent yet) and been dependable.

check and see if you can find any gear reviews for the tent you want
  
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Re: New tent: Sierra Designs Flash
Reply #2 - Oct 21st, 2016 at 9:25pm
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From what I can tell, this is more a double walled tent than single wall, it is just that the "fly" is attached to the "body"  Like my current tent, the "body" on the Flash is a mesh material.  The "fly" rides a couple inches above the "body" (see image).   The one consistent comment by reviewers is how much better this tent is at deling with condensation, given its ventilation.  In fact it may be less than ideal for winter camping as it will tend to be cooler.

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Here is one comment by a reviewer, speaking about the external pole design.
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But the other benefit of this hanging design comes into play when it rains. All nylon rainflies are going to stretch and sag when they get wet. If the pole structure is in between the fly and body… as the fly sags it gets closer to the body. If they get close enough to touch it will reduce airflow and create condensation and potential drips inside your tent. When the poles are on the outside and the body is hanging from the fly… as the fly sags the body sags with it maintaining it’s distance. This is a design featured on much more expensive tents – such as anything from Hilleburg – and it’s a great addition to the Flash 2 UL.


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Re: New tent: Sierra Designs Flash
Reply #3 - Oct 24th, 2016 at 6:53pm
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?Does it seem possible to take down the tent body alone from inside while the rainfly stays up?

That's one of the things you can choose to do with some Hilleberg tents.
  
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Re: New tent: Sierra Designs Flash
Reply #4 - Oct 25th, 2016 at 2:37am
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I don't know about the different fabrics but my last two tents are Sierra Designs.  I've used a Lightening Strike 2 man for solo trips and went through some strong storms bone dry.  I love their quality in the poles also.  I think it's a great choice you made.

  
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Re: New tent: Sierra Designs Flash
Reply #5 - Oct 29th, 2016 at 4:18pm
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I bought the SD Flash 3 FL.  In doing my research, I read various articles disucssing tent quality. This one was pretty good, (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) .  I have kept my tents for years and not bought high-end tents, so more often than not I have been using an older tents with a PU coating. That may explain the problem I have experienced of water wicking through the wet base of my tents when something like a sleeping bags or clothes were in contact overnight.

Some initial reactions based on setting the tent up in the living room.

It has two pole sleaves over the doors.  Each runs over the door side of the tent, they do not cross. So they only extert pressure on keeping the corners apart in that one direction (length).  If not staked out, the tent would not be stretched out to its full width.  This is only an issue if not staked and given I got the 3-man for use by two, not an issue for this purchase. The advantage of this design is it gives great headroom over the entired width of the tent (given there is no side-to-side pole sloping down).  At 86 oz (77 without carry sacks) it is decenty light for a large tent.  Has clothes line across the top, with a white little sack for putting a headlamp in, turning it into a "frosted" light.

It is a two-walled tents, with the inner wall attached to the outer.  The inner wall is mostly just mesh.  The two walls meet at the pole sleeves which is true for most tents.  There are also a couple about 3" attachments that have the inner wall hanging from the fly at the top. The fly is held up by two additional two poles that are attached to each other to form a cross.  These are above the fly, rest on the door poles, and hold the the fly up, including the awnings over the doors.

There should be no problem with the inner tent wall and the ends getting any wetness as those ends are covered by the fly to form a vestibule.  Even if the vestibule is not staked out, it can just hang covering that part of the tent.  What is not clear is how what the sides of the tent will get, where the doors are.  They are only covered by an awning, but are supposedly waterproof.  Time will tell if they are susceptible to the wicking effect. Given the awnings and the ability to roll up the vestibule, this tent will supply better ventilation under most any circumstances than any tent I have had.

A selling point was it was quicker to setup (no spearate fly) and can be set up in the rain without the inner tent getting wet because the fly will be covering it during setup.  Those seem to both be hype.  Setup is like setting up a regular tent, where you have layed the fly lying on top of the body as you set it up.
  
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