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Reply #10 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 1:05pm
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I love my Chota Caneyforks. A little taller than the trekkers and at the time I purchased more tread.
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 1:57pm
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BillConner wrote on Mar 16th, 2017 at 1:05pm:
I love my Chota Caneyforks. A little taller than the trekkers and at the time I purchased more tread.



I hope you're right, BillConner.  That was my "big purchase" at Copia.  I liked the tread on the Caney Forks.  Also, they run a little big which allowed a nice combo possible with my Chota neoprene gaiters.

jp's comment about the basic neoprene Chota boots reflects my experience with them, as well.  Very little tread, especially on inclining/declining gritty, gravelly wet rock faces.  They do well enough to keep your feet dry but don't expect any real support or traction on challenging surfaces.

My long-term solution to portaging has been the OTB Abyss Storm Boots.  They worked just fine under the most grueling circumstances... with just one problem.  The laces would constantly come apart, rendering the boot fit very loose.  On one bad-ass 3 mile bushwhack with Kingfisher several years ago I develop severe blood blisters and lost 3 toe nails as a result.  You simply can't drop heavy loads and tie & re-tie your boot laces when you are in a swamp or climbing steep ridges.  Solotripper eventually solved that problem for me by recommending those push-button lace binders (can't recall the name for those gizmos). 

Anyway, my OTB's finally rotted out under the duress of many years.  The Caney Forks appeared to be a good solution (see: (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) ).  The Copia "discount" and the fact that they came equipped with those lace-binder/quick-lace devices helped persuade me.  We'll see.

Good protection is essential to ensuring a happy experience where challenging terrain can be rugged on your feet and ankles!

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Re: Looking for a good portage boot recommendation
Reply #12 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 2:14pm
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  I buy discounted "water" shoes from someplace like Sierra Trading Post. Remember to buy a shoe at LEAST a 1 size bigger or more than your street shoes to accommodate heavy socks/ neoprene gators.
   
I think a sticky traction sole for wet rock is key as well as light and comfortable, TOE bumper too.

I also like CORD LOCK's on shoelaces so you don't have loops to catch on roots.

I think ankle support is over-rated in that it's your muscle/tendon strength that supports your foot/ankle action.

Now ankle IMPACT protection is another thing. You see plenty of NBA players wearing low-cut shoes now and they twist and turn their ankles with more sheer force than we will on a portage.

Now IF you have a previous ankle injury from sports/accident and have actual physical damage then a higher boot laced tight or one of those slip on ankle/foot braces might be needed.

  I don't think there IS one perfect boot because everyone is a different size, the  load they carry, body weight, the way the walk, all play a part.

Traction on the other hand, is pretty well a constant.

IF you have "weak" ankles that are NOT orthopedic injury related ( like pins in ankle), get yourself a cheap WOBBLE balance board. You can find buying/info exercises on-line.

Remember indigenous people around the world carry loads like the old time Voyager's on mountain goat terrain for hours wearing little tire tread sandals or barefoot.

I'm NOT saying a higher/stiffer boot is bad, but there is a tradeoff in weight/comfort/drying and you might be better served with a good sole and a little "work-out" routine for you ankles/lower extremities.

  There are also numerous ways to lace a shoe or boot to keep it on your foot in muddy conditions and give more lateral support too. All can be found on-line with a Google search.

  
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Reply #13 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 2:34pm
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Solotripper eventually solved that problem for me by recommending those push-button lace binders (can't recall the name for those gizmos).


I use these and replace ALL my outdoor shoelaces with Paracord which these CORD LOCKS are best on.
I bought these on Amazon, made by FMS. 10 IN Pkg. Best price I've found.

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Reply #14 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 2:53pm
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solotripper wrote on Mar 16th, 2017 at 2:14pm:
 

I think ankle support is over-rated in that it's your muscle/tendon strength that supports your foot/ankle action.

Now ankle IMPACT protection is another thing. You see plenty of NBA players wearing low-cut shoes now and they twist and turn their ankles with more sheer force than we will on a portage.

Now IF you have a previous ankle injury from sports/accident and have actual physical damage then a higher boot laced tight or one of those slip on ankle/foot braces might be needed.

  I don't think there IS one perfect boot because everyone is a different size, the  load they carry, body weight, the way the walk, all play a part.



I agree with ST's assessment re: ankles.  That's why PJ's approach, "sneakers" (and ,yes, that's how I still refer to them, too), works for some folks.

That's also why it DOESN'T work for me.  I broke/sprained each of my ankles so many times playing basketball in my younger days that I lost count.  I remember 4 casts but it might have been 6.  I only bothered with them when something was truly "broken"... and usually I broke the cast off after 3-4 weeks (which probably explains my frequent ankle issues, but I was anxious to get back out & "play ball").

Anyway, I haven't broken them in about 30 years and don't wish to get into that habit again.  "High top" sneaks, alone, won't do it for me.  I usually played ball with so many wraps around my ankles that it looked like I was afflicted with elephantiasis!

ST is right.  The best footwear is not a one-size/brand-fits-all-situations solution.  I envy PJ's healthy ankles and ST's aboriginals who took better care of their feet than I did back when it mattered.

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Re: Looking for a good portage boot recommendation
Reply #15 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 3:07pm
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Since I tend to only go very early or late in the season I use Muck boots, and like them, but they'd be too hot for warm weather trips IMO. Not much ankle support but dry and a nice lug sole w/steel shank. All is good till you go over the top, and that'll happen. When that happens a sense of humor helps. I'm not sure there is a "perfect" boot.

I had the OTBs till they finally rotted away. But I did notice the mess let in fine grit that added to wearing away the neoprene socks I used in the heal area. i also noted the neoprene booties seemed to stay wet and the evaporative cooling effect made for cold feet, equal to just wet footing it w/wool socks IMO. I tried Sealskins and pretty much the same, foot sweat and/or wet outer layer made for cold feet.

I had a visit from a pair of Q park rangers once and noticed they wore what I'd call '70's era Army Jungle boots, part leather, part nylon, and they had cut a few holes into them to help with drainage. It was early Sept and they were wet footing it. Probably very cheap at a Army Surplus store.

IMO even if you get wet feet and it's cold, it's not too bad as long as you have dry socks and shoes for camp. You may need to dress your torso a bit warmer. I'm pretty sure that's what the park rangers were doing.
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 4:33pm
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I had a visit from a pair of Q park rangers once and noticed they wore what I'd call '70's era Army Jungle boots, part leather, part nylon, and they had cut a few holes into them to help with drainage. It was early Sept and they were wet footing it. Probably very cheap at a Army Surplus store.


  IF I were going to wear a higher boot, I would pick up a pair of these Viet Nam jungle boots with the PANAMA mud shedding sole and give them a try.

They only came in FULL sizes and it used to be only a D width, but I have seen ones that came in Narrow and Wide (E ?) widths, made by Goverment contractors to the original military specs. Under $50.



  I had a pair once in my early canoe days, but one of my old canoe buddies under the influence forgot the uppers were NYLON and while I was asleep set them to close to fire. Shocked Made it thru trip but they were shot.

  I just read that the military is testing a new all purpose combat boot and it will be very similar to the Viet Nam boot but will have better drainage that will let water out but keep sand from coming in.

In a few years THAT might be the boot to have IF you want a hi-cut boot.
  
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Re: Looking for a good portage boot recommendation
Reply #17 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 4:48pm
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Just a few of the options. Some come in WIDE widths.
Just remember that if they're built to military specs they are built tougher than most CIVILIAN sport type footwear.

The ones made in the USA are the best and the most expensive. The difference is the sole on cheaper one is glued the expensive one stitched.

That may or may not be an issue for you?


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Re: Looking for a good portage boot recommendation
Reply #18 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 12:26pm
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Jimbo wrote on Mar 16th, 2017 at 1:57pm:
BillConner wrote on Mar 16th, 2017 at 1:05pm:
I love my Chota Caneyforks. A little taller than the trekkers and at the time I purchased more tread.



I hope you're right, BillConner.  That was my "big purchase" at Copia.  I liked the tread on the Caney Forks.  Also, they run a little big which allowed a nice combo possible with my Chota neoprene gaiters.

jp's comment about the basic neoprene Chota boots reflects my experience with them, as well.  Very little tread, especially on inclining/declining gritty, gravelly wet rock faces.  They do well enough to keep your feet dry but don't expect any real support or traction on challenging surfaces.

My long-term solution to portaging has been the OTB Abyss Storm Boots.  They worked just fine under the most grueling circumstances... with just one problem.  The laces would constantly come apart, rendering the boot fit very loose.  On one bad-ass 3 mile bushwhack with Kingfisher several years ago I develop severe blood blisters and lost 3 toe nails as a result.  You simply can't drop heavy loads and tie & re-tie your boot laces when you are in a swamp or climbing steep ridges.  Solotripper eventually solved that problem for me by recommending those push-button lace binders (can't recall the name for those gizmos). 

Anyway, my OTB's finally rotted out under the duress of many years.  The Caney Forks appeared to be a good solution (see: (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) ).  The Copia "discount" and the fact that they came equipped with those lace-binder/quick-lace devices helped persuade me.  We'll see.

Good protection is essential to ensuring a happy experience where challenging terrain can be rugged on your feet and ankles!

Jimbo   Cool


I was a little disappointed my first trip - too "loose" - but I got use to using a pair of inserts and slightly heavier smatwool socks and 10 or do trips later would not change. I like the ankle support, they drain well, and I wet foot May through October.

I hope you enjoy them. I don't even think about them any longer. Now if I could get my hips and shoulders to feel as good as my feet do...
  
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Re: Looking for a good portage boot recommendation
Reply #19 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:25pm
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My portage boots have been limited to what I could find in duck feet wide options.  I wear a 4E (EEEE) width so I have been wearing L.L. Bean boots for years.  They work reasonable well until you go in over the top, and then they are still wet long after you are home. I have always been happy with their adhesion to rocks and wood on the trails, but admittedly without much to compare them to. 

I did buy a pair of OTB’s in a 2E several years ago, but eventually gave them away to a friend who is still using them.

I had a brief waltz with a pair of Keen sandals while wading part of McEwan Creek, but all that got me was bloody feet from sharp rocks.

Now I have just purchased a pair of Chota Caney Fork Wading Shoes at Copia.  Even though they do not call out a width, they fit surprisingly well.  The Gent who sold them to me advised to break them in wet.  Wade some water and go for a walk, then repeat.

I would be happy to hear opinions on the merits of the matching Caney Fork Breathable Waterproof Sox.  They are half the price of the boots themselves.  Paying $70 for a pair of socks sounds as ridiculous as the $64 MSR frying pan I bought last year.  I am still ashamed of myself for that one.

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