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Mounting A Transducer On A Canoe
Jan 4th, 2018 at 2:37pm
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For those of you with more experience using depth finders in a canoe, how are you mounting your transducer?

I just picked up a Fishtrax unit to use this summer and am unsure what to do.

I'm considering mounting it right in the boat and shooting it through the hull. The simplest method seems to be a suction cup mount on the side of the hull, and just angle the transducer down accordingly. Fishtrax also sells a telescopic arm to mount the transducer to that hinges and hangs down over the side of the canoe. It looks functional, but kind of cumbersome.

So for those who know what do you suggest?
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 4th, 2018 at 4:50pm
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MP,
Is our resident expert on these matters but I'll tell you what I did and show a couple of pics.

I don't know how long the line between the unit and transducer is on your unit. I had enough line I could mount the transducer in the bow, but my method would work in the stern as well, say under your seat?

I just used auto water hose tape but good duct tape would work too to tape the wire to the side of canoe right under gunnel rail. Out of way and won't snag on portages.

My unit came with a mount, but I wanted in easy on/off, so I used a small strap to secure it between the yoke pads. I just loosen it and turn under on portages.

I did a lot of reading about shooting thru the hull on kayak fishing sites. As you can imagine everyone had a different take on how to do it.  Smiley Grin

I took a couple of ideas that made sense to me and
McGeyvered the rest.
I took a plastic tub (round) with a screw on lid. You need a size that your puck fits into properly. I drilled a hole in it the size of puck wire and cut a slit in the side of the tub so puck will lay right. I took a piece of closed cell foam and cut it to lay on top of the puck and hold it properly plus not rattle around on portages.

Before using unit I fill the tub with water. I read where that helps with shooting thru hull? Don't know if that's true, but it can't hurt.

The tub is secured to the floor of the canoe, say in the bow or under the stern seat with Silicone ADHESIVE ( I wanted it to stick thru the roughest portages.) I made sure the mounting surface was clean and scruffed up a little with sandpaper.


Made a circle around the bottom of the tub, an X inside the circle. Set in place and put a heavy weight on the tub and let adhesive cure.
This will hold it even if you get water in the canoe and you can still remove tub if you want with a sharp putty knife.

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Reply #2 - Jan 4th, 2018 at 5:56pm
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I use small clips to hold the wire up under the gunwales out of the way. My puck is on the floor under the bow seat. To mount, I used a little rubbing alcohol to clean the surface and a good dollap of silicone caulk pressing in a circular fashion to get a good seal. You want to make sure there are no air bubbles in the seal. I used a ram mount for the head to attach to thwart ahead of stern seat.  Cool
  
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Reply #3 - Jan 4th, 2018 at 8:19pm
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Thanks guys, especially solotripper for the super detailed response! So clearly you guys are fans of mounting it in the canoe and shooting it through the hull.

I'll mess around with the unit a bit once the ice breaks before I decide. Doesn't anyone just stick the transducer to the outside of the hull with a suction cup?

fishfindermounts.com also sells magnetic transducer mounts which might work pretty well too I think:

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Reply #4 - Jan 4th, 2018 at 9:09pm
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There are many ways that work and there is no one best in all cases way.  The suction cup is fast and easy but comes off at times Outside the boat will cause drag so you will want to remove it on travel days.  Because they cause drag people tend to put them as near the surface as they can and this can cause some problems.  Picture this you are putting the transducer on the right side of the boat.  You lean slightly to the right as you mount the transducer right at the surface.  Now you move back to the center of the boat and turn on your detector to find it does not work well at all.  If someone were paddling alongside you they could see the puck in just out of the water but when you lean over to check the boat tips and the transducer is back in the water.  If you use a over the edge mount make sure the puck is in the water.
I far prefer a semi-permanent through the hull mount. Chose a spot on the floor of the canoe where there is no foam core or extra material.  Most Wenona and Bell canoes have much of the floor covered with a foam covering much of the floor but usually there is a single layer floor in both ends. There are several products that will work to carry the sound through to the water and back to the transducer.  I have used epoxy, silicone weather calk, bathtub caulk, and my favorite is electrical putty.  I think electrical putty and plumber’s putty are the same with different labels on the package. You want as little space between the puck and the floor of the canoe as you can get and you want all that space filled with putty.  The way I put my current transducer in was to take the canoe out in the grass and set it in the shallow grassy ditch in front of my house.  Place a square of putty about 2” X 2” X ˝” on the transducer bottom.  Set the transducer on the floor where I wanted it and stand on the transducer for at least 30 seconds.  Then with my finger work the putty that squirted out up against the transducer making the puty taper from the top of the transducer out to the floor of the canoe.  Anchor the cable so it won’t get caught on packs and jerk the transducer free. My transducer stayed mounted this way without remounting it for several trips from Chicago to Quetico.  I have mover it from on canoe to another and back with by just reforming the putty and sticking it in another canoe.
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Reply #5 - Jan 4th, 2018 at 9:12pm
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Doesn't anyone just stick the transducer to the outside of the hull with a suction cup?


I think there are plenty of ways to mount them BUT since you mentioned them being cumbersome mounted outside canoe, I think you answered your own question.

If you were going in and just base-camping NO portaging then whatever is the quickest/easiest is what I would go for.

The last thing you need on that 33 day trip is something snagging on portage or something you have to mount/dismount on portages.

I'd figure a way to mount it ONCE and forget it.
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 4th, 2018 at 9:58pm
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Magicpaddler wrote on Jan 4th, 2018 at 9:09pm:
There are many ways that work and there is no one best in all cases way.  The suction cup is fast and easy but comes off at times Outside the boat will cause drag so you will want to remove it on travel days.  Because they cause drag people tend to put them as near the surface as they can and this can cause some problems.  Picture this you are putting the transducer on the right side of the boat.  You lean slightly to the right as you mount the transducer right at the surface.  Now you move back to the center of the boat and turn on your detector to find it does not work well at all.  If someone were paddling alongside you they could see the puck in just out of the water but when you lean over to check the boat tips and the transducer is back in the water.  If you use a over the edge mount make sure the puck is in the water.
I far prefer a semi-permanent through the hull mount. Chose a spot on the floor of the canoe where there is no foam core or extra material.  Most Wenona and Bell canoes have much of the floor covered with a foam covering much of the floor but usually there is a single layer floor in both ends. There are several products that will work to carry the sound through to the water and back to the transducer.  I have used epoxy, silicone weather calk, bathtub caulk, and my favorite is electrical putty.  I think electrical putty and plumber’s putty are the same with different labels on the package. You want as little space between the puck and the floor of the canoe as you can get and you want all that space filled with putty.  The way I put my current transducer in was to take the canoe out in the grass and set it in the shallow grassy ditch in front of my house.  Place a square of putty about 2” X 2” X ˝” on the transducer bottom.  Set the transducer on the floor where I wanted it and stand on the transducer for at least 30 seconds.  Then with my finger work the putty that squirted out up against the transducer making the puty taper from the top of the transducer out to the floor of the canoe.  Anchor the cable so it won’t get caught on packs and jerk the transducer free. My transducer stayed mounted this way without remounting it for several trips from Chicago to Quetico.  I have mover it from on canoe to another and back with by just reforming the putty and sticking it in another canoe.
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Thanks for the detailed reply! Seems everyone is a fan of through the hull mounting.  Cheers
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 4th, 2018 at 10:03pm
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solotripper wrote on Jan 4th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
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Doesn't anyone just stick the transducer to the outside of the hull with a suction cup?


I think there are plenty of ways to mount them BUT since you mentioned them being cumbersome mounted outside canoe, I think you answered your own question.

If you were going in and just base-camping NO portaging then whatever is the quickest/easiest is what I would go for.

The last thing you need on that 33 day trip is something snagging on portage or something you have to mount/dismount on portages.

I'd figure a way to mount it ONCE and forget it.


Well, just playing devils advocate, I don't think a transducer stuck on the outside of the hull would be particularly cumbersome. Also, it clearly wouldn't be staying there for the duration of the trip, it would be stuck on when I'm ready to seriously fish then removed when portaging or simply traveling and not fishing. It's not that difficult to stick a suction cup on the side of the hull and remove it.  Smiley

But everyone seems to be a big fan of mounting it semi permanently inside the hull. I can see the advantages. I do really like your idea of using a small jar with a lid.  Smiley
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 4th, 2018 at 10:36pm
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If I always used the same canoe, I'd stick it somewhere out of the way with silicone caulk inside the canoe somewhere near me. As it is, I put the 'ducer in a Zip-Loc snack bag with a little water inside (and under). It's a little fuss every time but it works fine for me. The unit gets clamped to the thwart and the battery pack goes in a thwart bag along with the transducer and it's zip-loc for portages. Minimum cordage to deal with that way.

Any (exterior) mount I've ever experimented with made an annoying noise that I simply could not stand for very long. There were other downsides that have already been mentioned and you will need to avoid foam any core areas no matter what.

There was a removable caulk I once used to seal double hung windows temporally for winter 20 years ago. It's probably still around. I expect that would work.

My one regret with whatever is I'll tend to watch the screen more than I'd like to. It's good info to know but so is enjoying what's going on above the water so I do my best on that.
  
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Like this.
  
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