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Jan 9th, 2018 at 12:28pm
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Ok, so it seems I’ve acquired a hard-water season itch that needs scratching before paddling season arrives.  My old top-of-the-line Sawyer bentshaft paddle - which I have liked a lot - is getting a little raggedly-looking.  It’s approaching the time for me to relegate it to “back-up” status.

The ZRE Powersurge at 10 ounces certainly catches my eye (while it’s price tag simultaneously upsets my stomach).   There are several other contenders out there, too. In any case, I invite your thoughts regarding bentshaft paddle options that make the most sense for serious canoe trippers.  I got an itch I hope to scratch and CanoeCopia may present an opportunity to do so (though I will not be constrained by the exhibitors who choose to show up there).

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Reply #1 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 4:14pm
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This is what I bought in 2016.  It's a nice compromise down from the powersurge. (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
I couldn't be happier with it and frankly, don't want anything lighter.  Mine is 12oz. as I got the carbon fiber grip instead of plastic.  I asked for a blemished model and saved $20.  I'm still not sure where the blemish is.
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 5:03pm
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Thanks for your thoughts on that, TomT.  I have looked at that paddle.  You save $61 and gain only 2 ounces.  Not bad. 

Another thing I like about the Zav's is the standard 12 degree bend.  A lot of reviewers, including Cliff Jacobsen, seem to feel that is the ideal bend for a tripping, flat-water paddle.

Like you, I have no issue at all with "blems" when it comes to my paddles or my canoes for that matter, either.

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Reply #3 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 6:15pm
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Yeah, they're "blemmed" up pretty good after the first trip anyway.  Why not put an extra $20 in your pocket. 

Whenever I'm offered a blem model on anything I jump at it.  I got a blem stove floor model, a blem space heater, and bought a blem tarp last summer.  It's another reason to love distributors like Sierra Trading Post.
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 10:10pm
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I say go light. You will not regret it. Five years ago I bought a ZRE PowerSurge Lite at 8oz (also a blemish- and haven't found it). Best investment I've ever made. Still going strong and I use it lots (4-5 Q trips a year and lots of day paddles around Ely). Imagine each ounce you save extrapolated against the thousands of paddle strokes per day- two ounces becomes an immense saving against the wear and tear on your shoulder.

The paddles also provide superb feedback on your stroke, if you listen they will help you become a much more competent and efficient paddler.

A year after I bought my first ZRE I bought another because of a tandem trip with my brother. After a year of using that magic blade I couldn't imagine inflicting my older bent shafts on a canoe mate.
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 12:31am
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I had been looking at the Bending Branches Black Pearl because I really like their grips and love my BB Sun Shadow 14 degree wood paddle, but about the time I was ready to buy, they stopped making it.  The deal was they had been getting too many returns about edge damage.  My thought is that was more due to the paddler and not the paddle. 

Last year I found the Werner Algonquin at Copia and got the show discount on it, as the BB folks did not have any plans on another carbon blade (so they said).  I am very happy with it and it is slightly under the ZRE in price at $289 list. It is just under 11 oz.  I find the blade a bit on the smaller side, but they claim it provides a softer 'catch', so maybe easier on the muscles. At 95 sq. in. it is only marginally smaller than the BB.  It performed well on last summer's Q trip and it has become my go to paddle. 

That said, BB DID come out last fall with the Black Pearl II.  It lists for $249 and comes in at 16 oz. with a reinforced edge.  Area is 105 sq. in.   I have no experience with it (yet), but plan to check it out at Copia this year. 

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Reply #6 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 4:48am
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I sprung for a Zaveral PowerSurge medium, blemished as well.  (we are all pretty cheap here?)
11 ounces and a dream to paddle with.  Just be careful setting it across the gunwales in a breeze!
Two trips with it so far, and a lot of local paddling, and my confidence in it has me thinking I might get a light, and keep the medium as my spare!
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 1:43pm
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portage dog wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 12:31am:


Last year I found the Werner Algonquin at Copia and got the show discount on it, as the BB folks did not have any plans on another carbon blade (so they said).  I am very happy with it and it is slightly under the ZRE in price at $289 list. It is just under 11 oz.  I find the blade a bit on the smaller side, but they claim it provides a softer 'catch', so maybe easier on the muscles. At 95 sq. in. it is only marginally smaller than the BB.  It performed well on last summer's Q trip and it has become my go to paddle. 

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pd -

Is that Werner paddle of yours a bent shaft?  I can't seem to find any bentshafts on their website.  Their touring paddle comes in at "under 12 oz." but the one I find seems to be a straight shaft.

gymcoachdon -

"Cheap" is often synonymous in my mind with "best possible use of my limited canoe-camping dollars! "

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Reply #8 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 4:39pm
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Yeah Jimbo, and a $280 paddle isn't really "cheap".
  
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gymcoachdon wrote on Jan 12th, 2018 at 4:39pm:
Yeah Jimbo, and a $280 paddle isn't really "cheap".


Amen!

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Reply #10 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 9:48pm
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For $280 you should be able to get your son to paddle you around. Also, a portage monkey.... Cool
  
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Reply #11 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 10:44pm
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Jimbo,

You're in the right spot, the devil is in the details.  I blame Werner - they are primarily a kayak paddle maker so they are just learning to speak 'canoe'.  The Algonquin is only available in a straight shaft...however....IF you look at their webpage in the different shaded blue table and click on Blade Shape, it says "Canoe Touring - 10 degree offset".  Sooooo, the SHAFT is straight and they consider the BLADE offset...or bent, if you will.  Shocked  Seriously?  Mine is a 52" and I believe I weighed it at 10.75 oz, but now, of course my scale is not working.  For something slightly heavier, but a Bennie cheaper, the Churchill is a 'glass paddle and 16 oz. - about the same as the BB Black Pearl II. 

I agree with your definition of cheap!  I almost never by anything at full price.  If you are patient, everything goes on sale at some point. (portage monkeys included)  I declared mine a self-birthday present.

The thing about light weight paddles is they spoil you and even a 20 oz. wood blade feels like swinging a log around after that.  It's so light, occasionally, I mis-position a brace or stroke.  As Solus said, thousands of strokes, it takes a lot of weight and wear/tear off the muscles and joints. 

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Reply #12 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 12:35pm
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I'm guessing these paddles aren't quite as well known Stateside, but Michel Levasseur makes an absolutely stunning 6.9 ounce carbon fiber bent shaft paddle. At the current rate of exchange you'd be looking at roughly $240 US dollars to buy one.

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Reply #13 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 2:41pm
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Solopaddler -

You're right, I've never even heard of him before.  That's a remarkable-sounding (& looking) paddle, however!  Do you have direct, personal experience with it or know anyone who has actually used one?  The paddle appears well-suited for "race conditions."  I'm wondering how well they would hold up in normal North Country usage?  While I would do my best to protect my investment in a 100% carbon fiber paddle, I guess I'm not familiar enough with them to know whether or not I might bust one the first time I graze it on an unseen rock (or two) underwater.

Also, it appears the only bent shaft they offer is 55 inches in length.  I normally use a 54 inch bent shaft paddle, so I doubt I would have an issue.  Still, I'm a bit surprised a bit by that.  Perhaps I am reading their description incorrectly?

On the other hand, 6.9 oz is extremely attractive at that price, as you say, given the current exchange rate.

Thank you for the recommendation! Wink  I hope to secure more information (testimonials, etc.) before I make any decisions.

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Reply #14 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 8:01pm
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Jimbo wrote on Jan 13th, 2018 at 2:41pm:
Solopaddler -

You're right, I've never even heard of him before.  That's a remarkable-sounding (& looking) paddle, however!  Do you have direct, personal experience with it or know anyone who has actually used one?  The paddle appears well-suited for "race conditions."  I'm wondering how well they would hold up in normal North Country usage?  While I would do my best to protect my investment in a 100% carbon fiber paddle, I guess I'm not familiar enough with them to know whether or not I might bust one the first time I graze it on an unseen rock (or two) underwater.

Also, it appears the only bent shaft they offer is 55 inches in length.  I normally use a 54 inch bent shaft paddle, so I doubt I would have an issue.  Still, I'm a bit surprised a bit by that.  Perhaps I am reading their description incorrectly?

On the other hand, 6.9 oz is extremely attractive at that price, as you say, given the current exchange rate.

Thank you for the recommendation! Wink  I hope to secure more information (testimonials, etc.) before I make any decisions.

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This is the paddle that was recommended to me recently by a paddling friend of mine who has used one for several seasons. I had no idea about the sizing thing until you mentioned that. I agree it is kind of weird. All I can tell you is my friend raves about it.
I'd probably reach out to the guy directly and inquire.
Grey Owl paddles are another highly regarded Canadian brand that I actually have paddled with. Their carbon fiber bent shaft retails for around $240 Canadian, so roughly $192 U.S.

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Reply #15 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 11:23pm
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All good stuff, solopaddler!

So, this morning, I contacted the fellow who used to be the dealer in MN.  Here's what he had to say:

"Specifically to your inquiry-
1. The Levas paddles are probably the lightest paddle made. They have a smaller blade (as most true racing paddles do) and are designed for higher cadence paddling, which is typical in Marathon canoe racing. Do they withstand wear and tear-yes and no. If you were to compare them to a bending branches paddle, no. But compared to other racing paddles, yes.

There are other heavier carbon paddles which are heavier and more durable, such as the ZRE medium, which also has a larger blade, and is heavier at 12-13 ounces. It’s my preferred paddle for day tripping and early season paddling. Wenonah Canoe also carries a knock off of the ZRE paddle

2. Many racing paddles are made in small shops with maybe 1-2 employees, except Zaveral, which is more of a higher end performance company, uses their carbon fiber shafts in a variety of applications and industries, so the shafts come in 1 length, with grips not attached. We then cut the shafts down, and epoxy the grip on place.

Race boats tend to have less freeboard than touring canoes, and with long shaft paddles, cadence becomes an issue. It’s a lot of paddle to swing around. I’m 6’, and use either a 49” or 50” paddle. Rarely do racers go much longer."

His point #2 explains why the paddle only comes in one size.

Thanks for the Grey Owl referral.  You'll note their "usage" comment indicates "marathon or outrigger racing" as its primary application.

All of this is great food for thought.  Thanks!

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Jimbo wrote on Jan 13th, 2018 at 11:23pm:
All good stuff, solopaddler!

So, this morning, I contacted the fellow who used to be the dealer in MN.  Here's what he had to say:

"Specifically to your inquiry-
1. The Levas paddles are probably the lightest paddle made. They have a smaller blade (as most true racing paddles do) and are designed for higher cadence paddling, which is typical in Marathon canoe racing. Do they withstand wear and tear-yes and no. If you were to compare them to a bending branches paddle, no. But compared to other racing paddles, yes.

There are other heavier carbon paddles which are heavier and more durable, such as the ZRE medium, which also has a larger blade, and is heavier at 12-13 ounces. It’s my preferred paddle for day tripping and early season paddling. Wenonah Canoe also carries a knock off of the ZRE paddle

2. Many racing paddles are made in small shops with maybe 1-2 employees, except Zaveral, which is more of a higher end performance company, uses their carbon fiber shafts in a variety of applications and industries, so the shafts come in 1 length, with grips not attached. We then cut the shafts down, and epoxy the grip on place.

Race boats tend to have less freeboard than touring canoes, and with long shaft paddles, cadence becomes an issue. It’s a lot of paddle to swing around. I’m 6’, and use either a 49” or 50” paddle. Rarely do racers go much longer."

His point #2 explains why the paddle only comes in one size.

Thanks for the Grey Owl referral.  You'll note their "usage" comment indicates "marathon or outrigger racing" as its primary application.

All of this is great food for thought.  Thanks!

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That's great info on the Levas paddles, thanks! FWIW I spoke with my friend who paddles with one last night. He's been using his for 5 seasons now with no issues, but he did say he babies it.
I'm not that careful with my gear, so personally I'm a little leery of using a paddle that's not quite as durable. But on the other hand 6.9 ounces is pretty attractive.  Smiley

I should have realized that the one length was simply an uncut paddle with a grip that you glued in place.

That's exactly how Grey Owl sells their carbon fiber paddles. When I bought mine I had to cut an inch of the shaft before gluing on the grip.
  
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Reply #17 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 8:33pm
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Thanks, all, for your inputs!

I decided to go with the ZRE Medium (see: (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) ), a "blemished" Factory Second, of course.  I managed to get stranded in their on-line system, somehow, so I phoned in my order.  I believe I was speaking with Bob Zaveral, himself.  Anyway, when I asked for Customer Service, I got "Bob."

Whoever it was certainly knew paddles... his paddles, competitors' paddles, etc..  After listening to the type of paddling I do and where I did it, etc., he recommended their best-selling ZRE Medium without hesitation.  He even suggested some modifications from standard specs, which I gladly accepted.  Anyhow, I got to spend those Christmas gift dollars that were burning holes in my pocket.  My leg would have been singed had I waited for CanoeCopia and, besides, this particular paddle won't be sold there anyway.

Can hardly wait to give my new 10 ounce paddle a try.  I guess this is pretty typical of the mental tricks we employ to get us through the hard water season.  For my next such trick, I suppose I should start my annual packing, unpacking, repacking routine.  I only have 5 more months to get it right, you know!

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Nice paddle.

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Reply #19 - Jan 16th, 2018 at 4:13am
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You are going to love it, it feels unreal, or toy like, when you first pick it up.
Then, every other paddle, even a nice 20 oz wooden paddle, feels like a 2x4.
I also think they feel nice in the hand, I was worried that I would miss the feel of the wood.  Hasn't been a problem!
  
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Yeah, nice compromise.  I love my Zav.  I used to use a wood BB Expedition and it's amazing what you get used to.
  
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The Levas don’t have as much tip material before getting into the core as a Zav. If the tip gets a hangnail like piece of graphite torn loss the tip should be sanded smooth before it rips any farther.

Zavs have 3 components, blade, shaft, and handle, that can be replaced if damaged beyond repair. But check first with a racing group and there’s a good chance you’ll find a guy doing very good repairs.
  
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