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Reply #20 - May 9th, 2018 at 8:20pm
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"Is there a way to actually measure rocker on a boat?" lots of ways, but no standard for the industry

"Is rocker the same as the shear line at a given depth?" -

no - see below
---Shear-line: top edge extending around the canoe hull from bow to stern. Skid plate: A piece of thick KevlarŪ that is glued to the bottom ends of a canoe. Prevents abrasion of the skin of the canoe. Stem: The most extended part of the bow or stern, ascending from the keel to the deck.---

"If I do buy a Magic, what will I be gaining over the Indy other than 10 to 12 lbs lighter?"

You should definitely gain some speed - Magic will have a higher length to width ratio, so faster for that reason - but simply pushing 15 lbs less weight should gain you a bit more speed itself.

I have the Kevlight version of  the Merlin II that is the black/yellow Kevlar weave (no carbon) - I wet foot and try to be as gentle as I can, but it has held up very well even hitting the occasional rock - If the object of your new canoe is to get a lighter boat, I would get the lightest version available - and that likely includes the aluminum gunnels rather than wood - but to each their own.
I suspect that you might lose a little bit of stability in magic vs Indy - but maybe not - best to test drive anything you are buying, with and without a tripping load
  
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Reply #21 - May 10th, 2018 at 3:13pm
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Mossback, I'm in Ft Wayne and you're welcome to test my Voyager, I also have an Argosy if you're interested in trying that too. Also I have a friend that just got a Northstar Solo I'll bet he would let you test too.

Test paddles make all the difference. I remember testing a Magic and the Voyager. The shop owner knew the Voyager was the one I wanted by the grin on my face while I paddled it, I don't play poker. Nothing bad about the Magic, just that it's a personal thing.
  
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Reply #22 - May 11th, 2018 at 7:03pm
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Mat,

I appreciate your attempt to educate me.  I am not sure where I got the idea that sheer related to Rocker??

I noted your suggestion about going lighter.  It is less important when there is a group with some younger Sherpa's along, but with more solo travel on my horizon, weight will be a factor.  I believe most of my weight savings will be from not taking all of the "I Might Need This" crap I took the last time.  I know aluminum gunwales save weight, but I still am very much stuck in the past when it comes to trim.  I like the look and feel of the wood.  I have never made a trip without my old canvas and leather Duluth Packs.  I know they are heavy, especially when wet, but I like the way they smell.   They will have to give way to lighter packs with better suspensions for solo travel.  In general change is very hard for me.

Mr. Solo,

I very much appreciate your offer to come North and test drive your canoes.  I would be happy to make the trip just to say "hello", but my schedule is overbooked for the next couple of months.  If possible, I would like to take a raincheck on your offer though.

So what was it about the Voyager that put a grin on your face , where the Magic did not? 

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Reply #23 - May 11th, 2018 at 8:48pm
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I've paddled most of the boats being considered. To me the Magic makes a great compromise between size, quickness, seaworthiness and weight. Its forgiving, relatively fast, light, pretty and can carry a decent load. The Voyageur can handle more weight, catches more wind (requires skill and persistence to handle in a wind perpendicular to direction of travel) but is quick as all get out. It simply flies. It feels unstable initially but, much like a bicycle, picks up stability with speed. The only thing I don't like about the Voyageur is the amount of freeboard- it feels excessive to me.  I paddle the Voyageur's little brother the Advantage, also designed by Kruger (back when he weighed about 150# less than he does now). It's a good tripping boat, but not a very good fishing platform- I'd make the same claim for the Voyageur. Despite it's size the Magic seems much more adept at handling heavy seas, particularly from the side- it just seems to dampen the roll "Magically".
  
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Reply #24 - May 12th, 2018 at 2:58am
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Solus wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 8:48pm:
To me the Magic makes a great compromise between size, quickness, seaworthiness and weight. Its forgiving, relatively fast, light, pretty and can carry a decent load.  Despite it's size the Magic seems much more adept at handling heavy seas, particularly from the side- it just seems to dampen the roll "Magically".


Solus,

Whether you intended it or not, your comments sound to me like a strong sales pitch for the Magic, especially the mention of handling heavy seas well.

Thanks for taking the time to weigh in.
  
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Reply #25 - May 12th, 2018 at 3:58am
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I do think the Magic is a really well designed hull. The Northwind solo is very similar, a little more beam and a bit slower and even more forgiving. My only quibble with either boat is that I prefer a sliding center seat to a fixed one (even if it is more comfortable) for ease of trim. One of my friends bought a new Northwind solo and the quality of the manufacture is excellent; the boat feels lighter than its advertised weight.
  
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Reply #26 - May 12th, 2018 at 3:47pm
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Mossback, Solus's comments are right on the money. I started my paddling in racing canoes, so I lean that way. But again he's spot on about the boats.

What I liked about the Voyager vs Magic was the height of the gunnels combined with the tumblehome. It enabled me to wedge both knees under the gunnels to maintain more contact with the boat in rougher water. I straighten one leg to toe the footbrace and tilt my knee under the gunnel. I fold my other leg under and across with my foot wedged into the side, with it's knee under the opposite gunnel. I'm braced similar to how a kayaker would use the top deck to brace his knees, but both their legs would be straight. The Magic's gunnels were too low, or seat too high, plus my legs too tight to do the same in it.

I still grin in rough water or upstream in tricky currents. Confidence helps, don't paddle scared, you'll swim for sure. I'm not stupid, I did stay on shore last year on BH when the foam was pilling up knee deep on the rocks, solo tripping in Oct. TMI  Lips Sealed Shocked
  
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Reply #27 - May 13th, 2018 at 3:16am
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I typically paddle the stern seat and always with my knees hooked under the gunwales, rod handle behind one knee and rod body in front of the other knee.  I read about people who kneel with their feet under the seat, but with 2 junk knees and size 11 EEEE width shoes, that ain't working for me.  Until last September I had never paddled with a foot brace, now I will always have on in my own canoes.  It helps considerably with a second position to rest my knees.

My Mad River Independence is too wide at the middle to hook my knees under the gunwales without a stretch, but the Magic is considerable narrower.  I tried to mock up the Magic width with some c-clamps and pvc pipe, but it was hard to tell much .

I always come with questions.........You mention the value of a sliding seat for trim, so while sitting in the middle of a solo with no second canoe around to eyeball your trim, how to you know whether it  is out one way or the other?  How it handles? Intuition?  Shadow of the waterline  seen through the hull?  Camper bubble lever glued inside the hull?

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Reply #28 - May 13th, 2018 at 3:37am
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MossBack wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 3:16am:
I always come with questions.........You mention the value of a sliding seat for trim, so while sitting in the middle of a solo with no second canoe around to eyeball your trim, how to you know whether it  is out one way or the other?  How it handles? Intuition?  Shadow of the waterline  seen through the hull?  Camper bubble lever glued inside the hull?


Truth be told I don't really care what my actual trim is- just move things till it works right. If I want to get an objective idea I can always consult the water in the bilge (from boots, rain, or paddle drippings).
  
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Reply #29 - May 13th, 2018 at 4:52am
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If I want to get an objective idea I can always consult the water in the bilge (from boots, rain, or paddle drippings).


I do the same thing, it will give you a pretty good idea of how level you're loaded. If your running with the wind or into it, having a way to pull/push your paks will get that sweet spot you're looking for.
  
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