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Apr 29th, 2018 at 4:06am
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I know everyone is waiting on Spring to break and planning their own trips, but I thought I would give this a shot anyway.

I have hopes of buying/ordering  a new, lighter solo this summer and have poured over  the specs of nearly every manufacturer as well as canoeing  books of wide vintages, finding a considerable amount of confusing and conflicting information.

I understand that most of the seaworthiness of a given boat is more in the hands of the human wielding the paddle than in the hull design, but I am hoping to buy whatever edge I can.

I like TomT’s choice of a Swift Shearwater and a family member just bought a Swift Keewaydin 18.6 and was very happy with his own choice. (not for solo)   Both beautiful boats.

The Bell/Northstar  Magic seems to have a cult following.  I talked to an employee of Northstar who has owned a Magic since it was Bell and claims he will never own any other solo.

I have also seen many Prisms in my travels and occasionally had a brief conversation with the owners who think they are great.

I would appreciate suggestions or comments of any kind.

I am looking for something lighter than my older Mad River Independence at 45 lbs. including  yoke, a bit faster hull would be a plus, but mostly something that will help me get off the water if I find myself in more lively conditions than I should be out in.

I know all of these characteristics are a compromise, but I am just looking for suggestions and the reasons for them.

I looked for a previous thread on the subject, but came up mostly empty.  If I missed one please point me toward it.

Thanks for listening.

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Re: Looking For Solo Canoe Suggestions
Reply #1 - Apr 29th, 2018 at 11:28am
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It doesn't get much respect but I love my SR Tranquility. High initial and secondary stability. I find it plenty fast andwas able to easily out pace a colleague in a Prism - not that one comparison is valid.

Just for comparison, I'm 6-2, 225 lb, and 66 years old.
  
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Re: Looking For Solo Canoe Suggestions
Reply #2 - Apr 29th, 2018 at 1:15pm
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MB,

Whatever you decide to get, I'd strongly suggest when you take it for a test paddle you bring your packs with you, loaded to there tripping weight.

I like to keep my packs below the gunnell's so they don't catch the wind and you have the lowest center of gravity possible.

The ONLY time I've ever dumped solo was in an SR Tranquility. It WASN'T the canoe's fault, my packs set-up/size made it impossible to lay my packs flat.

I was too top-heavy. You can always buy packs to fit the canoe you choose but do you want to do that?

Either way, something to consider besides the quality of the canoe.
  
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Reply #3 - Apr 29th, 2018 at 1:56pm
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The Northstar Northwind solo is well liked and my go to boat before I fell in love with the Shearwater. It's about $1,000 cheaper than the swift boat.  My logic is yeah it's more expensive but it's a lifetime purchase and damnit, I deserve it.  Grin Cool  I also like being different from the crowd. 

  
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Reply #4 - Apr 29th, 2018 at 2:09pm
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Mossback -

I like my Prism, especially how nicely it handles going INTO the wind.  On the other hand, level-loading has proven critical & it took some experimentation - and a few hairy moments - to get it right under various wind & wave conditions.  ST's comments re: "loading" practice are well-founded.  I've found that initial stability isn't so hot (you get used to it) but secondary stability is pretty good.

Having said that, I've long had my eyes on the SR Tranquility that BillConner speaks of... and now I am even more encouraged by his report because I am of a similar size to Bill.  I love my Souris River tandem so much (stability in all weather conditions) that I gotta believe their solo holds similar merit.  Anyway, I may be looking to test-drive and then possibly switch my Prism for that boat.

Hey, in late June I'll be paddling with a flotilla of solo vessels (at least six).  Some of our participants may be in a better position to offer you "comparisons" when we get back in July.

That's my two cents' worth....

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Reply #5 - Apr 29th, 2018 at 7:28pm
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Mossback,

I bought a seldom used 2006 Bell Magic in Black Gold 5 years ago from a guy in North Carolina for $1,850. I test drove one on a Quetico trip and really liked how it paddled and just had to have one. I found it to be extremely fast and lightweight at 31 lbs. 

I am 6 ft 218 lbs and I was a bit worried about how the Magic would handle a guy my size and my gear. Well, this 16 ft canoe which is a bit narrower in design than I would like ... can accommodate me and my gear very nicely. It has fairly good initial and secondary stability.

Saw some very nice new solos at Canoecopia this year. Got to test drive the new Swifts and Bells and ... Geesh so many to check out.
  
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Reply #6 - Apr 29th, 2018 at 9:41pm
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TomT wrote on Apr 29th, 2018 at 1:56pm:
The Northstar Northwind solo is well liked and my go to boat before I fell in love with the Shearwater. It's about $1,000 cheaper than the swift boat.  My logic is yeah it's more expensive but it's a lifetime purchase and damnit, I deserve it.  Grin Cool  I also like being different from the crowd. 



I have this boat as well. It's a bit longer in length and wider to accommodate larger packs & gear. It still only weighs 32lbs which makes it lightweight to portage.
  
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Reply #7 - Apr 30th, 2018 at 2:01pm
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Thanks to everyone who took the time to reply.

Several decades ago we rented aluminum behemoths weighing 70 to 80 lbs. and thought nothing of it.   Now we buy carbon fiber and know it is a good choice to shave ounces.

Several of your comments praised Souris River boats.  When traveling tandem we rented Wenonah’s for many years, but then discovered the merits of Souris River and now will rent nothing else.  We also happened to meet the owners and they are absolutely great people.

I agree with ST completely about getting packs down below the gunwales.  I accomplished that on my last solo, but the packs fit very tight and were miserable to remove and put back in.  I am determined to learn how to pack light, which is part of the reason to invest in a new, lighter, likely narrower boat.

No options in Southern Indiana for test driving upscale canoes.  The local outdoorsey shop used to do that once a year until kayaks took over the universe.

The best I can do is mock up narrow gunwales on my MR Independence to see if my old stiff knees will tolerate it.

Jimbo, you mentioned you like your Prism going INTO the wind…..is that to say it is a problem with wind at your back and following seas?

At the moment I am leaning toward a Magic, although I have no real well defined reason why?

Wally13 said his Magic had fairly good initial and secondary stability.    He is 6’  218 lbs.   I am 5’10”  and 170lbs.   Will my lighter weight make the secondary stability better, worse or no different?

Thanks again for putting up with all my never ending questions.

Kind Regards,

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Re: Looking For Solo Canoe Suggestions
Reply #8 - Apr 30th, 2018 at 2:32pm
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I am determined to learn how to pack light, which is part of the reason to invest in a new, lighter, likely narrower boat.


  If I recall you have/use older style paks?
If you get a new pack that can hold your gear and food for a trip and then just a bring a small daypack for raingear etc, you should be able to 2x portage most places even if you use the shuttle technique?

Here's a pack I ran across that might fit your needs.
Narrow enough it should lay vertical in any solo canoe but with enough volume to hold gear and maybe food if you pack right?

I have an old Eureka canoe pack that looks like the modern portage style packs with padded hip belt/shoulder straps that is over 25 yrs old and still in good shape. If this pack is even half a good it's a deal at this price. CDA price too.

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Reply #9 - Apr 30th, 2018 at 7:03pm
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MossBack wrote on Apr 30th, 2018 at 2:01pm:
Jimbo, you mentioned you like your Prism going INTO the wind…..is that to say it is a problem with wind at your back and following seas?

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Mossback -

With the wind at your back the Prism you will do just fine... IF you are level-loaded.  Frankly, I find that I need to put a bit more weight than expected "forward" to keep from weather-vaning.  The craft is very sensitive on that particular point.

Even with the wind in my face I seem to be putting more-than-expected weight forward.  The point I wanted to emphasize, however, was how nicely the vessel cuts into the wind and slices through waves coming at me.  I make much better progress into the wind than expected.

Such are my impressions with the vessel, anyway.

Have heard great things about the Magic, though.  Certainly worth checking out.

Good luck with making your choice!

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