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Help choosing a canoe...
Feb 12th, 2020 at 4:00pm
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Good morning everyone.  I'm an avid kayak angler that has been to the BWCA once, but am looking to make it an annual (or more) trip from now on.  I also want to do some weekend camping/canoe trips closer to home.  On my 2018 BWCA trip I used a Jackson Kayak Kilroy, a sit inside fishing kayak that weighs around 70 pounds.  So I'm looking for something more portage friendly.  My dilemna is choosing not just a model, but a type of canoe.  Solo or tandem, kevlar or not, long or short, etc.  I'm new to canoes so I have no idea what I should be looking for.

If I was buying a canoe just for myself and trips to the BWCA, I would go with a good solo canoe.  However, I do have young grandchildren that will want to tag along on local day trips in a year or two.  So maybe a solo isn't the way to go?

If it makes a difference, I'm 6' and 240 lbs and my budget will only be $2k or less (so used is an option).  I'm just looking for some input on where to start.  I've googled the snot out of this canoe stuff and the choices are a bit overwhelming. 
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 12th, 2020 at 4:45pm
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I also have a Kilroy for fishing locally. I'd never take it to the BW or Q.

As for canoe, we like to travel on those trips...so Kevlar or other lightweight is important. Carrying aluminum or royalex isn't much fun. If it was just you, I'd say solo all the way and probably paddle with a kayak paddle since you're used to it. Bell Magic, Wenonah advantage, and many more. How soon will you be taking the little ones on paddle trips? You could get a used solo for now and then in a few years you'll have a better idea if you like the solo or want to buy a bigger boat to include them.
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 12th, 2020 at 4:52pm
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Are you coming to Copia? If so, that's a good source of info. Come to our QJ gatherings, details in Rendezvous Forum.

If not, two words, 'Souris River'. Cool

It sounds like you need two canoes, a beater for the grandkids at home, and a solo for wilderness trips. Cool

Others will chime in. Welcome aboard to QJ! Cool
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 12th, 2020 at 5:44pm
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BF,

   I solo in a 16 Souris River tandem paddling backward from the bow seat with a DOUBLE canoe paddle, its 9 ft long. You need that extra length because the tandem is winder than a solo or kayak. I can point you to a good/rugged CANOE paddle for a decent price. Not the lightest but your not a lightweight and if a old guy like me can handle it, you won't have a problem.  Wink Grin Grin
   
I remove the stern seat so I can slide the heaviest pack to the bow to trim it out.
   
I prize stability and ease of packing over raw speed but as always others will disagree.

  Empty the SR weighs about 40#. Down the road, you want to bring your kids you'd have plenty of room do it. You can get snap-in center seats to make it a 3 man canoe.

  When it comes to toughness for the price I think SR is hard to beat. It's the go-to rental canoe for a lot of outfitters so that tells you something.
  Many outfitters sell used SR's after the season. I'd contact some and ask about it.

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Reply #4 - Feb 12th, 2020 at 7:34pm
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Old Salt wrote on Feb 12th, 2020 at 4:52pm:
Are you coming to Copia?



I wish, but not going to make it this year.  Maybe I'll set my sights on it for next year.

I think the idea of a good solo now and down the road getting a beater for the grandkids to join me locally sounds like an awesome idea, thank you!  Don't know why I didn't think of that.

solotripper, I like the sounds/looks of that set up.  I'm not a big "speed" guy and would rather have the stability and ease of packing as well.  How well does your set up paddle solo without a load?
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 12th, 2020 at 7:53pm
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Big Flounder wrote on Feb 12th, 2020 at 7:34pm:
Old Salt wrote on Feb 12th, 2020 at 4:52pm:
Are you coming to Copia?



I wish, but not going to make it this year.  Maybe I'll set my sights on it for next year.

I think the idea of a good solo now and down the road getting a beater for the grandkids to join me locally sounds like an awesome idea, thank you!  Don't know why I didn't think of that.

solotripper, I like the sounds/looks of that set up.  I'm not a big "speed" guy and would rather have the stability and ease of packing as well.  How well does your set up paddle solo without a load?


    You need to get a ballast bag to fill with water and put in as far forward as you can. Something like this works well.

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Reply #6 - Feb 12th, 2020 at 10:27pm
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BF,

One of the best ways to pick out a canoe is to paddle the ones that fit your short list if you can - loaded with your gear if possible.  Obviously, that depends on availability of test boats in your area.  Check your classifieds locally and see if you can at least go put eyes on some different models.  The Bell Magic might be a bit narrow in the gunnels for a bigger person - so it pays to check them out.  If you have not made a purchase before your trip, see if you can rent one from your short list when you do go.  If you can afford the time before or after your trip, look around Ely at the different canoes.  Some places will let you test them out locally.  Piragis has tons of canoes of all sorts and they will let you strap one on the car and take it down to Shagawa and paddle around for a bit.  I tested out five canoes there one year.  Of course, they're also very knowledgeable and will talk canoe with you for hours.  Very helpful.  Not being in rush to make a purchase will provide you more opportunity to get educated on canoes.  Of course, you'll find plenty of advice here too.  My personal solo is a Bell Merlin II - comparable to the current Northstar Northwind Solo.  Good volume, tracks well.

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Reply #7 - Feb 13th, 2020 at 11:52am
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I think you can get a solo and a tandem for $2000, used, and some looking. I'm 230, 6-2, prioritize stability over speed, and love my SR Tranquility.  34 pounds or so. Hard to find used - I got very lucky from a outfitter changing from SR to Northstar. 

If you're not portaging the tandem or larger, aluminum with the grand kids makes sense and ought to find a used one well under $1000.

Check all the outfitters reqularily would be my advice. Most go in the fall but I see some left.
  
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Reply #8 - Feb 14th, 2020 at 11:10am
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Hey BF.  Here's another option for you.  I solo a 16' Nova Craft Boundary Waters.  I bought it because I liked the stability and flexibility it provides.  Instead of paddling from the front seat facing backwards, I removed the thwart and replaced it with a Center Seat Yoke from Spring Creek Outfitters.  I sit in the middle of the boat which distributes the weight evenly.  The seat yoke flips over for easy portaging.  I also use a longer kayak paddle.  The seat can also serve as a third seat if you want to take a couple of other folks along.
Just thought I'd throw that out there.  You're right....the options out there can be overwhelming.  I agree with PD....try to paddle a few boats to see what you like.
Safe travels.....Mike
  
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Reply #9 - Feb 14th, 2020 at 1:59pm
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I have paddled a lot in solo in both tandem and solo boats.  So many people go for the true solo for reasons.  Usually a true solo will have tumblehome in the center making it easier to reach the water without banging your knuckle on the gunnels.  The seat is generally lower making the boat stable but it will be narrower using up that stability. While we are talking about stability the boat that is stable for me (180 pounds) will be much less stable for you. Another way to think about it is weight below the gunnels makes the boat more stable weight above the gunnels makes the boat less stable. Most of the passenger weight is above the gunnel.
Let’s talk gear ratios. If you are on a 15 speed bicycle and it is hooked up to pull a loaded 18 wheeler what gear are you going to put it in?? So you are thinking what’s that got to do with canoes.  A bigger canoe is harder to move through the water (think barge with an 18 wheeler setting in it). The tandem canoe (think barge) is bigger so you will need a longer paddle to reach the water. The longer paddle changes the gear ratio in the wrong direction. 
I own and sometimes paddle a Bell Magic.  Many people describe a Magic’s handling as twitchy. Which means it tips that first few degrees real easy. The bigger you are the more you will notice the twitchiness. I let a 240 LB man paddle my Magic.  He had never paddled a solo canoe and was very uneasy in the Magic.  If you are over 6 Ft lowering the seat a couple of inches would make a lot of difference.  The magic has much better secondary stability.  I can stand up in it and paddle it in calm conditions. For most of my trips the magic is a bigger boat than I like and so most of my paddling is in a smaller solo. With your size the magic would be about the correct size boat but you would probably want the seat lowered.  I know large man finds it easier to get up with a higher seat position.  I went on a trip with a large man who had raised his seat 1&1/2 inches.  After we got him out of the 35 degree water he lowered it back down.
  
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