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Reply #110 - Apr 27th, 2020 at 4:32pm
 
db wrote on Apr 27th, 2020 at 4:14pm:
BillConner wrote on Apr 27th, 2020 at 11:01am:
And that's key to Sweden's approach - where they are approaching 50% of population with antibodies vs 20 in NYC an just 14 in NYS. Of course the availability of a vaccine could spin this either way.

Just out of curiosity, where did you get 50% from?
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I had read over 40% a week or more ago and suggestions of 60% in weeks from that.  I'll keep watching that.
  
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Reply #111 - Apr 27th, 2020 at 4:49pm
 
I get daily updates from the Minnesota Department of Health which, among other things, lists by County the number of new cases, deaths, recoveries, etc. Doing a search will probably locate your state department of health/covid 19.

A few things stand out for Minnesota. The vast majority (2/3) of cases and deaths are in Hennepin County (Minneapolis). The majority of those cases and deaths are in care facilities. Ramsey County (St Paul) is a distant 2nd. If you look at the number of cases by county and the number of deaths by county to try to figure an average, the numbers are all over the place. It’s impossible to get anything meaningful. A number of counties have no cases.

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Reply #112 - Apr 27th, 2020 at 5:15pm
 
Ditto Old Salt.  I look at counties around me, NYC, and all of NYS, and see same. 

Lethality vs mortality - the 0.7% is in fact the NYC lethality as you state pine knot, but it seems you are comparing it to the mortality rate of flu?  Maybe not.

Was interesting to see that unlike the Covid 19, typical influenza does not discriminate as much by age.
  
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Reply #113 - Apr 27th, 2020 at 6:36pm
 
BillConner wrote on Apr 27th, 2020 at 4:29pm:
Try this. It worked when I pasted it in browser.

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or google "flu map"

Pine-knot - mortality rate to me means deaths per capita.  I thought the 0.7% of NYC was number deaths per number of people with antibodies, not the entire NYC population, just 20% of it - 12,067 deaths for 8,399,000 population or 0.14 %

US 2019 flu deaths 34,200 for 328.2m = 0.01% - a lot less than NYC; US COV 19 deaths 55,551 is than 0.017% - and sure to be double the 2019 flu before it's over.

(note in 2017-2018 flu season its was 80,000 deaths - varies a lot from year to year)

And I could be missing your point entirely but I think your .7% was deaths per 20% of population.  You did say "can someone tell me my why my numbers are wrong" but you use the term lethality, and I don't know if that is different from mortality.


Well, maybe I should not be calling it lethality or mortality.  Maybe I should be using disease burden?  According to CDC, their flu burden chart has flu illnesses, hospitalizations and death.  From 2010-11 thru 2017-18 seasons, if you divide deaths by illnesses (cases), the numbers range from 0.18% to 0.1%.  Although 2017-18 had the most flu-related deaths at 61K, the ratio of deaths to cases was 0.14%.  Interestingly, the highest ratio of death to cases was 0.18% which occurred in 2010-11 which reported 37K deaths and 21M flu cases.

My hunch is that is where the 0.1% number re seasonal flu comes from...?

In any case, when I look at the NY numbers, I still see a much higher ratio of deaths to cases with Covid-19, which indicates to me that it is much more "lethal" to us than seasonal flu.  The true story won't be known till we find out how many people actually die due to Covid-19 and the total number of people who actually contracted the virus....we may never know....

db wrote on Apr 27th, 2020 at 3:55pm:
... snip ... As an aside, a therapy would be helpful. I thought this was interesting if only to highlight how much we don't even know about the disease itself.
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That is an interesting article, db.  Hard for a dumb lay person like me to understand without reading it a couple more times.  But Covid-19 is sure a squirrelly virus...

Heard earlier on TV a snippet of Dr Birx saying that what we really need on testing is a breakthrough antigen test so we can get results quickly as a point of care test...geez, another type of test to go along with PCR and serology (antibody) tests...

Here's an article regarding antibody tests that I read the other day....some are better than others, and several are useless...

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Reply #114 - Apr 27th, 2020 at 6:58pm
 
BillConner wrote on Apr 27th, 2020 at 5:15pm:
...Was interesting to see that unlike the Covid 19, typical influenza does not discriminate as much by age.


I keep thinking that typically about 80% of deaths due to seasonal flu is in the 65 and older age group...do we have a fix yet on the percentage of deaths by age group for Covid-19?  Seems similar to me....
  
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Reply #115 - Apr 27th, 2020 at 8:34pm
 
So if my demo's life expectancy is 78.54 years and I'm 61, does that mean I'm way over half dead already?
  
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Reply #116 - Apr 27th, 2020 at 11:57pm
 
waaaaay over, db.....but then so're the rest of us.  Sad

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Reply #117 - Apr 28th, 2020 at 12:36am
 
db wrote on Apr 27th, 2020 at 8:34pm:
So if my demo's life expectancy is 78.54 years and I'm 61, does that mean I'm way over half dead already?


This is confirming evidence that we all need to plan more trips!!
  
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Reply #118 - Apr 28th, 2020 at 2:05am
 
I had to look up GIGO. That's how far behind I am in this discussion.

Wash your hands and go where they ain't....that's my motto.
  
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Reply #119 - Apr 28th, 2020 at 11:21am
 
portage dog wrote on Apr 27th, 2020 at 11:57pm:
waaaaay over, db.....but then so're the rest of us.  Sad

pd


But not as far as some of us .....  Wink

  
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