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BillConner Inukshuk Offline Posts: 665 Location: Thousand Islands Joined: Apr 12^th, 2010	Re: Covid 19 Updates Reply #190 - May 16^th, 2020 at 11:23pm
	I don't think USFS will enforce much pandemic related once in wilderness. I do think and hope that outfitters are not really business as usual for their sake. Minimize contact with customers, extra cleaning of premises and gear, no lodging, etc. And i assume premium or surcharges on food. But not at all business as usual.


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goblu79 Inukshuk Offline Posts: 87 Location: Oklahoma Joined: May 2^nd, 2018	Re: Covid 19 Updates Reply #191 - May 16^th, 2020 at 11:25pm
	I got a call from the RABC folks about 10 days ago. They basically informed me that they would be holding my application until the border opens and then process it. If it doesn't happen by the time I'm supposed to be in Quetico, they won't process at all. He said they were hopeful that the border would open fairly soon, but of course, made no promises.


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BillConner Inukshuk Offline Posts: 665 Location: Thousand Islands Joined: Apr 12^th, 2010	Re: Covid 19 Updates Reply #192 - May 17^th, 2020 at 12:15am
	I think i misinterpreted the household statement. As i posted elsewhere, the campsites are for single household use. The campsite is not for multiple different groups. Nowhere does it say all people in the campsite have to be from same household or family. At least that's how i see it now.


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Solus Inukshuk Offline Posts: 967 Location: Northern Minnesota Joined: Oct 6^th, 2006	Re: Covid 19 Updates Reply #193 - May 17^th, 2020 at 1:58am
	BillConner wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 12:15am: . Nowhere does it say all people in the campsite have to be from same household or family. At least that's how i see it now. Hate to rain on your parade, but: According to the governor's order, "Dispersed and remote camping sites for single household use." Would seem to mean that those who occupy a site must all be from the same household.


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BillConner Inukshuk Offline Posts: 665 Location: Thousand Islands Joined: Apr 12^th, 2010	Re: Covid 19 Updates Reply #194 - May 17^th, 2020 at 10:39am
	I think it says the campsite is for single household use, which is consistent with the same order allowing guided trips as long as its a small group (guide plus 2 guests? Iirc). They don't want people using campsites intended for multiple households. Could be a non-camping lawyer's wording.


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azalea Inukshuk Offline Posts: 1084 Location: North Carolina Joined: Jan 13^th, 2004	Re: Covid 19 Updates Reply #195 - May 17^th, 2020 at 12:38pm
	Solus wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 1:58am: Hate to rain on your parade, but: According to the governor's order, "Dispersed and remote camping sites for single household use." Would seem to mean that those who occupy a site must all be from the same household. So everyone in the group spend the night together at someone's house before the trip. It does not say how long they have to be part of the household. Our homeonwer's association has run into an issue with the fact all our homes are defined to be for single-family use only. Trouble is single-family is not defined. Here is how the county defines it. Quote: One or more persons occupying a single dwelling unit, provided that unless all members are related by blood, marriage, adoption or guardianship, no such family shall contain over six (6) persons, but further provided that domestic servants employed and housed on the premises shall not be counted as a family or families. Just decide ahead of time which ones in the party are the servants.


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Jimbo Voyageur Inukshuk Offline Posts: 4597 Location: Florida Joined: Oct 6^th, 2002	Re: Covid 19 Updates Reply #196 - May 17^th, 2020 at 12:45pm
	BillConner wrote on May 16^th, 2020 at 11:23pm: I don't think USFS will enforce much pandemic related once in wilderness. I do think and hope that outfitters are not really business as usual for their sake. Minimize contact with customers, extra cleaning of premises and gear, no lodging, etc. And i assume premium or surcharges on food. But not at all business as usual. Agreed re: applying proper precautions. I secured such assurances from my outfitter. My point was that my outfitter & a guide friend of mine "understand" from their discussions with Forest Service personnel that their clients need not come from a single household. Frankly, I've challenged them on that assumption and secured their assurances that they will secure an additional permit for my party (before they run out) should the single household rule be applied by the forest service. Fortunately, I still have a few weeks to actually witness how the rule is either enforced or not. Luckily, there are but two of us and we could even camp at nearby different sites on different permits if they really got picky. About all we can do is to wait and see how the process plays out. Jimbo


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pine_knot Inukshuk Offline Posts: 908 Location: Springboro, Ohio Joined: Mar 31^st, 2009	Re: Covid 19 Updates Reply #197 - May 17^th, 2020 at 1:51pm
	azalea wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 12:38pm: ....Just decide ahead of time which ones in the party are the servants. So, as a our paddling group is sitting in the house discussing our trip plans, we draw straws and the shortest two straws pulled means those two guys are the designated servants and will portage ALL the gear during the trip.


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Old Salt Inukshuk Offline Posts: 4871 Location: Crossville, TN Joined: Jun 17^th, 2004	Re: Covid 19 Updates Reply #198 - May 17^th, 2020 at 2:25pm
	pine_knot wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 1:51pm: azalea wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 12:38pm: ....Just decide ahead of time which ones in the party are the servants. So, as a our paddling group is sitting in the house discussing our trip plans, we draw straws and the shortest two straws pulled means those two guys are the designated servants and will portage ALL the gear during the trip. And disinfect the thunder box every hour.


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BillConner Inukshuk Offline Posts: 665 Location: Thousand Islands Joined: Apr 12^th, 2010	Re: Covid 19 Updates Reply #199 - May 17^th, 2020 at 2:38pm
	Can someone quote or link to the language that says the people on a group have yo be from a single household or the same family? I have not found it - ihave only found the language qualifying the campsites (which is consistent with reported outfitters claim).


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