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Reply #70 - Apr 23rd, 2020 at 7:28pm
 
db wrote on Apr 23rd, 2020 at 5:49pm:
I saw a meme recently that made me laugh out loud. Just to parafffase - I feel like a kid again. Gas is $1.09 and I'm grounded.  Grin


  You have to keep some semblance of a sense of humor or else your mind could get and stay dark real quick.
  
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Reply #71 - Apr 23rd, 2020 at 8:26pm
 
db wrote on Apr 23rd, 2020 at 5:06pm:
In the past couple days I talked with two friends that own commercial property. One is in WI and the other is in IL. Both told me that if the state allows nonessential business to reopen before people (customers and employees) feel comfortable returning - the tentative, we're all in this together type agreements made get blowed up real good and shit will hit seriously the fan.

I don't see the longest unguarded border in the world opening any time soon w/o some degree of confidence. A "peeing section" in the local swimming pool analogy was great. To that I'd add half of of all Americans are of below average - you name it.

The Sweden thing was interesting so I did my own math yesterday. My findings were summed up in one paragraph from the CNBC link:

"The number of cases in Sweden is almost double that in neighboring Denmark (it has 8,108 cases and has reported 370 deaths) and Finland (with just over 4,000 cases and 141 deaths) that imposed strict lockdown measures. Since their populations are each about 5 million — half of Sweden’s — the rates are about the same, although the comparison could be skewed by testing numbers in each country. Still, Sweden’s 1,937 death toll is far higher than its neighbors."

This morning I was watching CNBC and heard about a preliminary study from NY showed 20% of those admitted to a hospital died. 88% of those intubated died. Oh and also the current antibody tests suck unless (and/or) people can actually get reinfected. Does the term 'Boomer remover' work for anyone here?

So where do we focus? Testing? PPE? Vents? Our budget deficit? China? Iran? The price of gas? Immigration?

This is uncharted territory for the even the folks that do this stuff for a living. Anyone else remember going to Quetico before there were maps with marked and stared campsites and stoves and tarps and lightweight canoes and and and...


I think if you take into account total population and amount of population density, Sweden's approach cannot be dismissed so lightly.  Consider Wisconsin or Minnesota like Sweden and compare it to its neighbors like Iowa or the Dakotas.  And I did suggest longer term - not short term - and developing a herd immunity. NYS sampling suggests 13% or so have had it and have anti-bodies.  Sweden is suggesting 40%.  There deaths per capita are only a little over US.  Could be - emphasis on could - that Sweden does not have a second round because of immunity while we do.  Plus their economy isn't trashed like ours is.  The facts and history of this pandemic are far from over.  And who wrote that passage - a journalist from one of the adjacent countries with a bias?
  
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Reply #72 - Apr 23rd, 2020 at 8:33pm
 
solotripper wrote on Apr 23rd, 2020 at 7:28pm:
db wrote on Apr 23rd, 2020 at 5:49pm:
I saw a meme recently that made me laugh out loud. Just to parafffase - I feel like a kid again. Gas is $1.09 and I'm grounded.  Grin


  You have to keep some semblance of a sense of humor or else your mind could get and stay dark real quick.



  
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Reply #73 - Apr 23rd, 2020 at 8:44pm
 
I just spit my coffee all over the keypad  Grin Grin

  
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Reply #74 - Apr 23rd, 2020 at 8:58pm
 
BillConner wrote on Apr 23rd, 2020 at 8:26pm:
The facts and history of this pandemic are far from over.  And who wrote that passage - a journalist from one of the adjacent countries with a bias?


Angela Merkel?
  
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Reply #75 - Apr 23rd, 2020 at 11:06pm
 
  Looks like UV light and humidity are nature's remedy for killing the virus.

   It sounds like a summer day in MI.
Lots of UV light and humid.


  
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Reply #76 - Apr 24th, 2020 at 12:27am
 
db wrote on Apr 23rd, 2020 at 8:58pm:
BillConner wrote on Apr 23rd, 2020 at 8:26pm:
The facts and history of this pandemic are far from over.  And who wrote that passage - a journalist from one of the adjacent countries with a bias?


Angela Merkel?


So compare Sweden to state if Michigan. Both around 10,000,000; Detroit and Stockholm close if you consider metro area; Michigan with around 3000 deaths quite locked down; Sweden not locked down and only 2000 deaths.
  
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Reply #77 - Apr 24th, 2020 at 3:12am
 
Higher population density in Michigan than Sweden....just sayin'....could be a factor
  
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Reply #78 - Apr 24th, 2020 at 9:51am
 
HighnDry wrote on Apr 24th, 2020 at 3:12am:
Higher population density in Michigan than Sweden....just sayin'....could be a factor


I agree but Stockholm is larger than Detroit but has fewer deaths. Just saying you can't dismiss the Swedish approach because of neighboring Norway and Finland. It seems to be about the density of cities. I Iive in upstate N Y and no deaths on tri county area, but the state leads the nation in deaths.

Hopefully we'll have answers from this pandemic before the next, and know what to do.
  
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Reply #79 - Apr 24th, 2020 at 11:34am
 
Our supreme commander just suggested that the specialists look into the possibility of injecting disinfectants into our bodies to kill the virus. We are truly living in an episode of the Black Mirror.
  
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