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Reply #20 - Apr 14th, 2020 at 12:56am
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Check out Northstars B16 it is multi layered kevlar. They are also making a straight up white water solo boat out of the same materials. I have seen the prototype take a serious beating.

  
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Reply #21 - Apr 14th, 2020 at 1:10am
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When I was doing whitewater we used composite hulls exclusively. They can take a  surprising amount of abuse and are easy to fix.
  
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Reply #22 - Apr 14th, 2020 at 5:56pm
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Novacraft also has a hybrid material that they use called Blue Steel. I kid you not.

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It's essentially an aramid and carbon fiber hybrid material.  Filled with an olefin fiber and vinylester resin. Strong but still lightweight. This might be a an option to consider. The Northstar B17 is essentially the same construction.
  
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Reply #23 - Apr 18th, 2020 at 5:39pm
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HighnDry, Are you looking for a mostly whitewater boat? I went on a few river trips like the Missinabi. Heard the best solo canoe for such a trip was the Dagger Genesis at the time, it was about 13'. I ended up getting an Esquif Vertige cause I thought I'd be doing some of that but found it hard to get good whitewater paddlers to trip. And good trippers mostly didn't want to do whitewater. So I ended up doing guided trips in tandems.
The Vertige ended up being a good boat to start doing whitewater in, very forgiving. But ends up I'm not so much into whitewater itself but as a means to travel the lands I want to explore.
  
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Reply #24 - Apr 18th, 2020 at 9:25pm
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I'd like a versatile enough boat that can cover flat water stretches at a decent clip, doesn't weigh a ton to portage (<50lbs) and handles whitewater (especially rocks!) without having a hole punched in it.

That would be my ideal....and it doesn't cost and arm-and-a-leg! Grin Grin
  
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Reply #25 - Apr 18th, 2020 at 10:34pm
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HighnDry wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 9:25pm:
I'd like a versatile enough boat that can cover flat water stretches at a decent clip, doesn't weigh a ton to portage (<50lbs) and handles whitewater (especially rocks!) without having a hole punched in it.

That would be my ideal....and it doesn't cost and arm-and-a-leg! Grin Grin


You DON'T want to much do you!  Wink Grin Grin
  
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Reply #26 - Apr 18th, 2020 at 11:04pm
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I know what I want ..but I didn't say I'd get it! Grin
  
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Reply #27 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 11:21am
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[quote author=nadagikendan link=1586641336/22#22 date=1586886994]Novacraft also has a hybrid material that they use called Blue Steel. I kid you not.

I looked at the Nova Craft "Blue Steel" boats at Canoecopia a couple of years ago.  I liked what I saw and heard at the time.

I'm kicking the tires on a trip out west this year to do some float trips and trout fishing but I'd probably take my royalex "tugboat"
if I go.

Stay safe.......
  
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Reply #28 - Apr 21st, 2020 at 1:15am
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Cleaning out my notebook on whitewater canoes.....

At least four choices for hulls:
1) Hevlar...is light - I call it the birch bark option because you'll likely only run a good set of rapids once with this hull....and never again....or regret that you did it in the first place! I'll save my two boats for the easier, flatter stuff out there. Wink

2) Composite hulls - This option covers the Aramid, Armid lite, and blue steel options. It's lighter than other classic hulls such as royalex and t-formax but the durability of it would have to be monitored. Better to portage though than those below. That B17 Northwinds is a good example of this although Nova Craft makes a good Prospector  16 out of this too.

3) Royalex - Is this a composite too? It seems like it to me but probably deserves its own category. Its variously described as a coating of vinyl with a hard acrylonitrile butadiene styrene plastic outer layer and ABS foam inner layer. My old Penobscot 16 was made of this and weighed every bit of the 75 pounds advertised! I miss that boat's durability but I'm glad that I really never had to portage it anywhere or for any substantial length of time.  Roll Eyes

4) Fiberglass, i.e. concrete. If you portage this you will save enough on potential canoe repairs from running rapids to afford that back surgery, hip replacement and a lifetime supply of extra strength Tylenol  Grin Grin Grin. I'd like to take one of these and plop it on a lake to see if it sinks.....just sayin'

5) Grumman Airplane Aluminum - I'm starting to like this canoe more even though it's the heaviest. On my first group trip into WCPP, we came out at Johnson after crossing paths with a group of four Canadienne women on Telescope, two were from Red Lake, one was Oji-Cree and the fourth was from further south. They were all friends who had grown up together in the area. They portaged two tried-and-true silver Grummans during a five day trip like champs and met us in the Johnson parking lot...and they never flinched once about carrying those heavy boats. That is just they way it's done, they said. P.S. The did not give a ride to town...but delivered our message that we needed one.... Cool
  
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Reply #29 - Apr 21st, 2020 at 1:24am
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I'll add my overall impressions from the research....

Whitewater canoes can be designed to specialize in whitewater canoeing, i.e. maneuverability, protection against swamping, rugged hulls, etc but they may tough for novice to intermediate paddlers to control on flat water and may be slower crossing big lakes.

So, I'm probably NOT looking for a whitewater canoe per se but a reasonably sturdy, versatile flatwater canoe that provides some of the necessary traits to cover whitewater stretches and still paddle the flat and slow current stuff with relative ease.

The Prospector is popular in Canada for that reason but Swift makes a decent version of this and Dagger has a few options. Northwinds apparently is churning out a canoe to compete in this category and you could probably do all right with a royaliex or facsimile with a litter  up-skilling (e.g. whitewater training classes) to be safe out there...

Just my two cents. I'll keep reading. I've got plenty of time on my hands these days...
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