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Reply #10 - Jun 8th, 2021 at 12:20pm
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HighnDry wrote on Jun 8th, 2021 at 10:11am:
Glad for that Bill! I read that Canada may be considering easing border closure restrictions by June 21....or so the whispering goes...

No idea what that means for actually crossing the border into say, Quetico. Some folks on another site are making noise about getting a RABC in to be ready. I had read that program has been discontinued....so....I don't know....


If they could get the RABC up and running, then common sense would say that people going in via that would have minimal chances of interacting with others, vaccinated or not.

On the other hand, driving into Canada is a much different story.

The current info on what being vaccinated does or doesn't do leaves a lot of questions/concerned if you get into Canada via driving and end up get Covid and have interacted with others while there?

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I'd hate to get locked down in Canada until they deemed me safe? The financial cost would be heavy, to say the least.

  IF they do open the border, I hope they plan for all contingencies, all get on the same page, and then we can decide if we want to go based on something consistent, not something that will change and catch you by surprise?


  
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Reply #11 - Jun 8th, 2021 at 5:12pm
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If the border is opened at International Falls and I am going to Beaverhouse, I would have no contact with anyone other than the ranger on BH.  Based on prior experiences I can't see the ranger questioning my Covid 19 status.  So if I can get across the border I think I am good to go.  I can already taste the walleye and trout.
  
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Re: Border opening this week?
Reply #12 - Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:01am
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solotripper wrote on Jun 8th, 2021 at 12:20pm:
HighnDry wrote on Jun 8th, 2021 at 10:11am:
Glad for that Bill! I read that Canada may be considering easing border closure restrictions by June 21....or so the whispering goes...

No idea what that means for actually crossing the border into say, Quetico. Some folks on another site are making noise about getting a RABC in to be ready. I had read that program has been discontinued....so....I don't know....


If they could get the RABC up and running, then common sense would say that people going in via that would have minimal chances of interacting with others, vaccinated or not.

On the other hand, driving into Canada is a much different story.

The current info on what being vaccinated does or doesn't do leaves a lot of questions/concerned if you get into Canada via driving and end up get Covid and have interacted with others while there?

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I'd hate to get locked down in Canada until they deemed me safe? The financial cost would be heavy, to say the least.

  IF they do open the border, I hope they plan for all contingencies, all get on the same page, and then we can decide if we want to go based on something consistent, not something that will change and catch you by surprise?




That Mayo article is from January and when I look for current thinking, it seems that there is much evidence that vaccinated people are unlikely to transmit the virus.
  
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Re: Border opening this week?
Reply #13 - Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:45am
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That Mayo article is from January and when I look for current thinking, it seems that there is much evidence that vaccinated people are unlikely to transmit the virus.


Therein lay the problem as I see it. As new evidence comes in the powers that be need to get on the same page so people can have confidence in the rules and plan accordingly.
 
I was vaccinated here in MI about a month ago with the J&J vaccine at the local Krogers where I shop.

  Right about then, Kroger changed its policy that required customers/workers to wear masks. If you've been vaccinated you don't need a mask.

Of course that begs the question, how do they or other people know you have been vaccinated?

I've seen a few verbal confrontations over masks, so I decided to make my status known even if not required to.

I bought one of those clear plastic ID card holders on a neck lanyard. When I'm out and about I wear it so people know and I don't have to deal with a mask "KAREN" screaming at me.

  I want to get into Canada but not until they have it all worked out and I know what I'm dealing with before I go and even more important when I try to get back in?
  
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Reply #14 - Jun 10th, 2021 at 4:58am
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I think June 21 will be lessening the 14 day quarantine for returning citizens.

And seems RABC program is suspended, not discontinued, and should resume when the border opens - with some delay no doubt.
  
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Reply #15 - Jun 10th, 2021 at 11:40am
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solotripper wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:45am:
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That Mayo article is from January and when I look for current thinking, it seems that there is much evidence that vaccinated people are unlikely to transmit the virus.


Therein lay the problem as I see it. As new evidence comes in the powers that be need to get on the same page so people can have confidence in the rules and plan accordingly.
 
I was vaccinated here in MI about a month ago with the J&J vaccine at the local Krogers where I shop.

  Right about then, Kroger changed its policy that required customers/workers to wear masks. If you've been vaccinated you don't need a mask.

Of course that begs the question, how do they or other people know you have been vaccinated?

I've seen a few verbal confrontations over masks, so I decided to make my status known even if not required to.

I bought one of those clear plastic ID card holders on a neck lanyard. When I'm out and about I wear it so people know and I don't have to deal with a mask "KAREN" screaming at me.


Sorry if this is a thread hijack, but what you said, Neal, sort of resonated with me in light of my trip to pick up my groceries at Kroger yesterday.  I don't go in the store, but I order and pay online, then just park in the designated spot and a nice young person comes and puts my groceries in the trunk of my car.

While I was waiting for him to serve the person parked close to me, I had my car window open and was able to hear (actually unable to not hear, as it was very loud) the conversation that the man in the car was having with the delivery person.  The employee of Kroger's was wearing a mask, but the customer was not.  And he evidently asked the young employee if he had had the vaccine yet and got a negative reply.

The man was thrilled to hear that.  He went on to say that only stupid people get this vaccine, that "it is a proven fact that more people have died from the vaccine than from COVID."  He went on to rant and rave about how many people had died from the vaccine and that everyone who has had the vaccine is shedding spike protein that makes other people sick.  The kid was very polite, thanked him for letting him know that, and said he guessed he was right not to get the vaccine after all. 

Then the gentleman started in on his view that there is really no such thing as COVID and that the government had made it all up to take away people's freedoms.  And on and on, and on. . .when they got to their opinions about Dr. Fauci I just put up my car window, turned on my music, and waited--much longer than usual because normally the employees don't stand and listen to a customer rant about vaccines and vaccinated "idiots" while other customers are waiting.   

When the kid finally went back and got my groceries, it was just a matter of about five minutes and I was on my way.  I still don't feel all that threatened by my vaccine, which I had in January.  And if somewhere that I go (physical therapy comes to mind since I was there this morning) requires me to wear a mask, I just do it.  I don't argue about my vaccination status.  
  
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Re: Border opening this week?
Reply #16 - Jun 10th, 2021 at 1:42pm
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Spartan2 wrote on Jun 10th, 2021 at 11:40am:
solotripper wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 6:45am:
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That Mayo article is from January and when I look for current thinking, it seems that there is much evidence that vaccinated people are unlikely to transmit the virus.


Therein lay the problem as I see it. As new evidence comes in the powers that be need to get on the same page so people can have confidence in the rules and plan accordingly.
 
I was vaccinated here in MI about a month ago with the J&J vaccine at the local Krogers where I shop.

  Right about then, Kroger changed its policy that required customers/workers to wear masks. If you've been vaccinated you don't need a mask.

Of course that begs the question, how do they or other people know you have been vaccinated?

I've seen a few verbal confrontations over masks, so I decided to make my status known even if not required to.

I bought one of those clear plastic ID card holders on a neck lanyard. When I'm out and about I wear it so people know and I don't have to deal with a mask "KAREN" screaming at me.


Sorry if this is a thread hijack, but what you said, Neal, sort of resonated with me in light of my trip to pick up my groceries at Kroger yesterday.  I don't go in the store, but I order and pay online, then just park in the designated spot and a nice young person comes and puts my groceries in the trunk of my car.

While I was waiting for him to serve the person parked close to me, I had my car window open and was able to hear (actually unable to not hear, as it was very loud) the conversation that the man in the car was having with the delivery person.  The employee of Kroger's was wearing a mask, but the customer was not.  And he evidently asked the young employee if he had had the vaccine yet and got a negative reply.

The man was thrilled to hear that.  He went on to say that only stupid people get this vaccine, that "it is a proven fact that more people have died from the vaccine than from COVID."  He went on to rant and rave about how many people had died from the vaccine and that everyone who has had the vaccine is shedding spike protein that makes other people sick.  The kid was very polite, thanked him for letting him know that, and said he guessed he was right not to get the vaccine after all. 

Then the gentleman started in on his view that there is really no such thing as COVID and that the government had made it all up to take away people's freedoms.  And on and on, and on. . .when they got to their opinions about Dr. Fauci I just put up my car window, turned on my music, and waited--much longer than usual because normally the employees don't stand and listen to a customer rant about vaccines and vaccinated "idiots" while other customers are waiting.   

When the kid finally went back and got my groceries, it was just a matter of about five minutes and I was on my way.  I still don't feel all that threatened by my vaccine, which I had in January.  And if somewhere that I go (physical therapy comes to mind since I was there this morning) requires me to wear a mask, I just do it.  I don't argue about my vaccination status.  


Bat Shit crazy comes in all colors and belief systems. This guy is the POLAR opposite of people I've seen online saying they don't care WHAT the science say, there not going to give up that mask?  Huh Roll Eyes

 

  
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Reply #17 - Jun 10th, 2021 at 2:56pm
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I just want the border to open so that I can paddle in Quetico....soon... Wink
  
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Reply #18 - Jun 10th, 2021 at 3:17pm
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I would like the border open, too, and I am not planning a trip to Quetico.  But I do enjoy vacationing in Canada, and I am very glad that we did our trip through the Canadian Rockies to Lake Louise a couple years ago.

Neal, the deal with the mask is interesting.  I have not heard anyone say that they will not give up their mask, but some places where I go (mainly medical facilities and physical therapy) are still requiring it.  And the University of Michigan Transplant Center says my husband should continue to wear his whenever he is in a situation where he will be close to people.  Most people are not as kind as you to have their vaccination ID card on display.  And, at least where I live, a whole bunch of people are not wearing masks who are not vaccinated and have no intention to be.  Proud not to be and proud to resist the mask.  Makes for a tricky situation for a person who is immune-suppressed and just trying to remain healthy.

Back to the Quetico discussion now.  Sorry.   Embarrassed
  
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Reply #19 - Jun 11th, 2021 at 6:43am
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Spartan2 wrote on Jun 10th, 2021 at 3:17pm:
I would like the border open, too, and I am not planning a trip to Quetico.  But I do enjoy vacationing in Canada, and I am very glad that we did our trip through the Canadian Rockies to Lake Louise a couple years ago.

Neal, the deal with the mask is interesting.  I have not heard anyone say that they will not give up their mask, but some places where I go (mainly medical facilities and physical therapy) are still requiring it.  And the University of Michigan Transplant Center says my husband should continue to wear his whenever he is in a situation where he will be close to people.  Most people are not as kind as you to have their vaccination ID card on display.  And, at least where I live, a whole bunch of people are not wearing masks who are not vaccinated and have no intention to be.  Proud not to be and proud to resist the mask.  Makes for a tricky situation for a person who is immune-suppressed and just trying to remain healthy.

Back to the Quetico discussion now.  Sorry.   Embarrassed


Circling back to the Border opening, it's obvious that when it comes to Covid/Science and of course politics people are all over the place on it.

That's why I said I want to see a comprehensive plan between the US/CANADA to open the border so everyone will know what to expect and how problems will be dealt with?

Depending on what those rules are, we can decide  IF we want to participate or not.

  Personally, I'm done wearing masks in public.
If a private entity requires it, unless it's a do or die situation, I'll just opt out.

  
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