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How to choose a ZRE paddle
May 31st, 2023 at 3:00am
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Looking to size one up for whitewater/recreational - power paddling. So many paddle shapes. I know the length I need for the recreational - power (not for racing), but I am not sure how to choose a paddle shape. Probably go straight shaft. Thoughts?
  
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Re: How to choose a ZRE paddle
Reply #1 - May 31st, 2023 at 3:29am
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I don’t claim to be an expert, but I would choose a bent shaft with the largest blade possible. Cool
  
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Reply #2 - May 31st, 2023 at 12:21pm
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Stu Osthoff would tell you to go with a wooden straight shaft IF you have a strong J-stroke.

Me?  I'm with Old Salt.  My ZRE is a 54 inch bentshaft "Power Surge Medium" and I love it. Ultra-lightweight so I can go all day a lot easier.  I wouldn't use it to fend off rocks, though.

Styles of paddling vary, as should paddles.  Good luck with your selection.  I look forward to seeing what you have chosen in a few weeks!

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Re: How to choose a ZRE paddle
Reply #3 - May 31st, 2023 at 12:58pm
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Yeah, it was kind of a trick question because you wouldn't generally want a bent shaft for whitewater and perhaps a straight shaft would not be as efficient for flat water travel. I sized up a paddle at MWM here in the Twin Cities and came up with a 56in measurement. I'm shorter than you Jimbo so I must have measured that wrong....unless I"m kneeling for whitewater...then the measurement should probably be something closer to the 58 length. At least that's according to some whitewater folks that I was conversing with. However, since I'm an expert in neither, I'm going to look at the "power surge" line with the broadest paddle face. I was leaning that way anyway. I was just curious what others have.

On another note, I think "Sanborn"(?) makes paddles...for that day when I get serious about slinging a less heavy paddle ergonomically designed for my near-perfect body  Grin Grin
  
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Re: How to choose a ZRE paddle
Reply #4 - May 31st, 2023 at 3:48pm
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I humbly suggest the standard blade width of 8". The "power" gained by a wider face is at the cost of shoulder strain and efficiency of use- better to paddle with a narrower blade at a slightly higher cadence. Standard method for determining shaft length is to sit in chair and measure from chair seat to nose, add blade length to get total. People tend to buy paddles that are too long. I'm roughly 6' with a long torso and use a 51.5" paddle.

In choosing between straight and bent- bents are ideal if you paddle seated. If you kneel a straight shaft is more optimal. I have two ZRE paddles and believe they are the best dollar for dollar gear I've purchased. My main paddle is the equivalent of a ZRE-light, ten years old and used heavily over the course of that time (live near Ely and take frequent day trips and multiple Q trips every year). I bought the second (same paddle but at 52") out of mercy for my tripping partners (usually my brothers or cousin all of which are around 6'3"). Go for the lightest paddle you can get, don't crank on rocks, tie into the canoe at night and they will last better than a high quality wood paddle. The feedback they deliver when you paddle is amazing- ZRE has made my technique much better because it is so obvious when your stroke is inefficient (usually too long of a pull).


  
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Re: How to choose a ZRE paddle
Reply #5 - May 31st, 2023 at 4:47pm
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I switched to a bend shaft years ago and would never consider using a straight shaft paddle.  When you use a bent shaft and you are at the end of your stroke you are still pushing more less horizonal.  With a straight shaft at the end of the stroke you are lifting water with your paddle.  The difference is very noticeable when you paddle a tandem canoe solo.  In a tandem canoe when it is used solo with a straight shaft paddle the front of the canoe will lift with the end of the stroke.  The reason the front of the canoe lifts is because the back of the canoe is being forced down because the paddle is lifting water.    The lifting effect will be more noticeable the farther you sit back in the canoe because the front has less weight on it.  Then compare how much the front end lifts when using a bent shaft.  I think with practice a paddler can have an effective J stroke with either paddle.
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 1st, 2023 at 3:50pm
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I was curious what ChatGPT would say so I copied and pasted your question (w/o title) and received this in response:

"When choosing a paddle shape for whitewater and recreational power paddling, there are a few factors to consider. While personal preference plays a significant role, here are some considerations to help guide your decision:

Blade Shape: For power paddling, you'll want a blade shape that offers a balance between power and maneuverability. Look for a slightly wider blade with a dihedral or spoon shape. This design allows for more efficient power transfer and reduces flutter, providing stability during powerful strokes.

Surface Area: A larger blade surface area will generate more power with each stroke. However, keep in mind that a larger blade requires more effort to paddle, so it's important to find the right balance based on your strength and endurance.

Shaft Material: Since you mentioned considering a straight shaft, it's worth noting that straight shaft paddles are commonly preferred for whitewater and power paddling. They offer a more direct and intuitive paddle feel, which can enhance control and power transfer. Consider a shaft material that suits your preferences, such as carbon fiber, which tends to be lightweight and stiff for efficient power transmission.

Length: You mentioned already knowing the length you need, which is great. The appropriate paddle length depends on factors like your height, boat width, and paddling style. Generally, for power paddling, a slightly shorter paddle may provide more control and maneuverability. However, it's crucial to try different lengths and experiment to find the one that feels most comfortable and efficient for your specific needs.

Test and Experiment: Ultimately, the best way to determine the right paddle shape for you is through personal experience. Try borrowing or renting different paddle shapes and sizes to see how they feel on the water. Experiment with different blade shapes, surface areas, and shaft materials to find the combination that provides the power and control you desire while remaining comfortable during extended paddling sessions.

Additionally, consulting with experienced paddlers or visiting a specialized paddle shop can provide valuable insights and recommendations based on your specific needs and preferences. They can help you try out various options and provide guidance based on their expertise.

Remember, finding the perfect paddle shape is a personal choice, so take the time to explore and discover what works best for you in terms of power, control, and overall enjoyment on the water."
  
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Re: How to choose a ZRE paddle
Reply #7 - Jun 1st, 2023 at 3:59pm
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Grin

In addition:

Next question> What the hell is power paddling?

ChatGPT:
"I apologize for any confusion caused by the term "power paddling." It seems that the term was used in a previous question without a clear definition. "Power paddling" is not a standard or widely recognized term within the paddling community. It may refer to a style of paddling that emphasizes strong and forceful strokes to generate power and speed. However, it is not a commonly used or defined term in paddling terminology.

In general, when paddling, the power in each stroke comes from using proper technique, engaging the core muscles, and applying force through the paddle to propel the watercraft. The specific technique and intensity of the stroke can vary based on the paddling activity, such as whitewater kayaking, recreational paddling, or racing.

If you have any specific questions or concerns related to paddling techniques, paddle selection, or any other aspect of the sport, please feel free to ask, and I'll be happy to help clarify or provide more information."
  
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Re: How to choose a ZRE paddle
Reply #8 - Jun 4th, 2023 at 2:57am
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How do I know that you're not AI-generated, db?  Cheesy
  
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Re: How to choose a ZRE paddle
Reply #9 - Jun 5th, 2023 at 5:41pm
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Because over the years I've come to understand that my original data set is a bit dated.
  
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