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Aug 9th, 2023 at 9:10pm
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Hey friends, I was disappointed to learn that my old Spot device (that paired with my DeLorme GPS) is no longer supported by Spot. Spot has two current devices: Spot X and Gen4. Neither one is all that well reviewed. And their plans with various fees aren’t cheap.

Anyone using a sat device, and if so, what do you recommend?
  
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Reply #1 - Aug 9th, 2023 at 9:49pm
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I don't have a Sat device, don't know I'll ever get one BUT, if I did I would look at just getting a Sat Phone and be done with it.

  If you break it down by months and how many years you and your son will be going on outdoor trips. It's more than reasonable. Buy minutes as you need them.

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Reply #2 - Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:50am
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The sat phone is a good option.

I've been shopping and leaning toward Zoleo.

The wild card in this is the promise of cell phone connectivity everywhere via Space link et al.
  
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Reply #3 - Aug 10th, 2023 at 8:21pm
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FWIW - couple guys on our crew got signal on top of the big hill mid-lake on Kahshapiwi last month. I don't bring one or want one.  Wally13, Jimbo and Magic Paddler use them regularly and will hopefully reply back.

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Reply #4 - Aug 11th, 2023 at 11:37am
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I use the Garmin InReach Mini.  It is small, it pairs up with my cell phone, and it does the job I need it to do. It's reasonably priced and the annual fees aren't that bad, either. Primarily, I use it to send messages to home or to other paddlers I'm travelling with in the park. I have also found its weather forecasting to be far more reliable than the CBC reports I can get on the radio. As far as the GPS function itself, well, I guess I use Gaia as much or more than InReach mapping... and you don't even need a separate GPS device for it to work.  Gaia operates nicely on the GPS function built into most cell phones. In any case, for mapping, I prefer working off of a Fisher or McKenzie map.  I generally only refer to an electronic device when there is some doubt about my exact location.  Also, there is less "glare" on an actual map.  Morning sunshine can quickly obscure the face of your electronic device.  That doesn't happen with an actual map.

That's the short version re: how I handle it, anyhow.

Jimbo   Cool

P.S. If you're travelling on the north side of Quetico, there's at least a decent chance you might actually have cell service due to the recently erected tower near Nym Lake.  I spent 9 days on Batchewaung this past Spring and had cell service on most days.  I generally don't appreciate that sort of "progress" but it proved to be invaluable this year when we needed an airlift out due to injury.
  
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Reply #5 - Aug 11th, 2023 at 1:04pm
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I moved from SpotII to Zoleo. No complaints. The send works better than Spot. Family felt I needed two way capabilities cause I'm old. Requires phone. Can pause subscription. Text and device use is intuitive and seamless. Sign up not quite as slick. I don't use it for GPS etc traveling mostly by memory and when necessary map.
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 12th, 2023 at 2:18am
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I picked up a Zoleo for my June Quetico trip with my son.  First time using such a device, but it worked well enough. The Zoleo has no screen, so you have to pair it with your phone, but that worked well for typing.  Messages take a while to send an receive, so it's not exactly like texting.  It was nice to check in with the wife each night and make sure things were in order at home. I'm still undecided on the weather feature, if it is more or less accurate than my 10 day printed wunderground report I prepare the day we leave. 

For navigation I take a map and use my Lowrance Hook 4 with a custom made digital bathymetry map with sat imagery.  I actually left my Garmin at home this year as I did not plan on doing any bushwhacking and was more interested in where I was on the water and looking for fish.  That reminds me, I need to upload my sonar logs to CMAP, now that their website is back online(was down since June due to a hack.)
  
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Reply #7 - Aug 12th, 2023 at 12:51pm
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On the Zoleo weather:

In Quetico if you request the forecast for your "current location" it pulls up a forecast for "unorganized Rainy River Township"- not sure exactly where that is, but it has significantly different weather than what I was experiencing on Emerald Lake (on one occasion the forecast said sunny and 0% chance of rain, since I was experiencing thunder and lightening I checked the weather radio which was flush with severe storm warnings for Ely and the B-dub). I had better luck when I directed it to give me a forecast for Ely or Atikkokan, both of which must be closer than the "unorganized Township".
  
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Reply #8 - Aug 12th, 2023 at 1:30pm
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Solus wrote on Aug 12th, 2023 at 12:51pm:
On the Zoleo weather:

In Quetico if you request the forecast for your "current location" it pulls up a forecast for "unorganized Rainy River Township"- not sure exactly where that is, but it has significantly different weather than what I was experiencing on Emerald Lake (on one occasion the forecast said sunny and 0% chance of rain, since I was experiencing thunder and lightening I checked the weather radio which was flush with severe storm warnings for Ely and the B-dub). I had better luck when I directed it to give me a forecast for Ely or Atikkokan, both of which must be closer than the "unorganized Township".


  I use Weather Underground to check before I go on a trip. I print out their long term forecast and it's pretty close all the time. Don't know if you could get that on your device?

   WU comes out of Lac La Croix First Nation.

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Reply #9 - Aug 12th, 2023 at 11:15pm
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Solus, thanks for the tip on the Zoleo weather forecast.  That is exactly what I was seeing, a rainy river forecast for my current location. I will try to change it to Atikokan next year and hopefully get a more precise forecast.  I also bring a small radio with earbuds that I like to listen to in the tent and sometimes I pick up a forecast on on that, but those are often vague and seem to cover a large part of the province, so not really useful.

Solotripper, I too use weatherunderground and print out their 10 day forecast the day we leave.  Often it is very accurate, at least the first few days and if it does differ, the weather patterns often follow through, just a day sooner or later.  I try to print the whole chart, so I zoom my browser to maybe 75% and then take a print screen and paste it in paint and crop as desired.  Finally I take my print out and go back to the website and I found if I drag my cursor along from left to right I can find the peak times for temperature, rain chance, and wind and I make a note of those times by hand.  This information can be really useful when planning day trips to potentially avoid getting stuck in bad weather.  It is handy to know too when the wind direction might change and the direction it is likely to be from.
  
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