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Jul 7th, 2007 at 7:23pm
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Nope not trying to incite a riot here.  Overseas in many areas I have had irradiated foods including milk and meats.  Its a little strange being able to keep milk on the shelf for up to a year until you open it and having fresh as the day it was extracted.  Meats also, really nice steaks in vacuum pack but shelf stable.  In Australia and in the Philippines its common fare. I have not been able to find any in this country however.  The foods are irradiated with Cobalt.  In this country virtually all medical devices are now irradiated with Cobalt instead of sterilizing with steam or other heat methods.  Cobalt leave no particulate residue and you probably have a Cobalt facility near your home without even realizing it not to speak of all the medical facilities who use Cobalt for various things.  I know that I would enjoy being able to have great steaks on protracted trips.
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 7th, 2007 at 8:22pm
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SW,
Don't you find it peculiar that for being so technically savvy on so many levels when it comes to the "nuclear" option we are almost frozen with irrational fear?
 Every major country is developing nuclear power plants and using the technology to improve there way of life.
Yet, because of the hysteria caused by 3 mile island and the Chernobyl disasters we don't even want to consider it?
 Yes, there are hurdles and serious ones at that but I have a hard time believing that are concern for our citizens is so much greater than the country's you mentioned, that we ignore the technology??
I would like to see us at least have the CHOICE and let the market determine if it succeeds or fails?
I don't even eat much red meat but I can see the benefits in many other ways to the food industry and the related economy?
 Millions of tons of food are wasted every year due to spoilage and short shelf life's!
 I can't help but think irradiation should at least be a option?
  
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Reply #2 - Aug 20th, 2007 at 1:02am
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I believe many of the Frozen, and Refrigerated meats in this country are irradiated, they just don't announce it. It is used as a back up pln for customer safety. Lysteria, and E Coli can be held at bay with good practices in manufacturing facilities. But there is always the chance that a couple slip through anytime you are working with live animals and dirt.

As for the shelf stability. I wasn't aware that this would work, now thats an interesting idea.
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 7th, 2007 at 6:02am
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Chasinmendo wrote on Jul 7th, 2007 at 7:23pm:
Nope not trying to incite a riot here.  Overseas in many areas I have had irradiated foods including milk and meats.  Its a little strange being able to keep milk on the shelf for up to a year until you open it and having fresh as the day it was extracted.  Meats also, really nice steaks in vacuum pack but shelf stable.  In Australia and in the Philippines its common fare. I have not been able to find any in this country however.  The foods are irradiated with Cobalt.  In this country virtually all medical devices are now irradiated with Cobalt instead of sterilizing with steam or other heat methods.  Cobalt leave no particulate residue and you probably have a Cobalt facility near your home without even realizing it not to speak of all the medical facilities who use Cobalt for various things.  I know that I would enjoy being able to have great steaks on protracted trips.

In my travels I have noticed many of the same things, also interesting packaging for condiments that lend themselves to a camping use.  I have not tried the meats yet because I did not have cooking facilities but maybe I will bring some home to test with.  Interesting options to augment the protein part of a meal.  Great idea SW
  
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Reply #4 - Nov 5th, 2007 at 7:13pm
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Wall-Mart has irradiated quarts of milk in the baking section.  Like you I first saw them in Europe.  You would think that with all the meat recalls lately it would be worth it to treat meat like this.

Like this was my first post Eh?  Grin
  
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Reply #5 - Nov 10th, 2007 at 6:29pm
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Wall-Mart has irradiated quarts of milk in the baking section.  Like you I first saw them in Europe.  You would think that with all the meat recalls lately it would be worth it to treat meat like this.

Like this was my first post Eh?  Grin


Good point and Welcome to one of the best canoe camping sites anywhere. I suspect that eventually we will get there but there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding and paranoia regarding radiation in the US.
  
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Reply #6 - Nov 11th, 2007 at 5:20pm
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Good point and Welcome to one of the best canoe camping sites anywhere. I suspect that eventually we will get there but there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding and paranoia regarding radiation in the US.


I think the misunderstanding and paranoia gets a big boost from the media and the growth of "blogs" on the Web.
The mostly Liberal media never met a negative story that it didn't love Sad
If it bleeds, it leads is a media commandment.
The blogging phenomenon has increased the paranoia factor by allowing ANYONE qualified or not to spread half-truths or outright lies to bolster there case for whatever position they hold.
I'm not discounting the danger of radiation or nuclear power but every single advance by man has came at price and with a learning curve.
That's the price we pay for progress and in developing new technologies.
The ability to engineer and monitor complex and potentially dangerous technologies has never been greater and while there is always the danger of the technology outdistancing the ability to control it or calculate its impact, that's not a good enough reason to just ignore its benefits to mankind.
Every generation has wrestled with its doubts and fears but progress means learning from past mistakes and learning to balance the risk with the reward.
I mean if the FRENCH can embrace the nuclear power option and they have a problem with just about everything, then WE should take the lead and give the best of America's engineering and scientific minds the funds and freedom to usher a new energy age in, both nuclear and renewable and set us free from the Arab fossil fuel teat Grin
  
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Reply #7 - Nov 13th, 2007 at 12:31am
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I really hate to go into this because I'll probably be drawn and quartered but many moons ago I used to be a nuclear engineer for the Bechtel Corporation.  In those days we developed something called SNUPPS or the standard nuclear unit power plant system.  It was a pre-designed unit with all the documentation in a fill-in-the-blanks format.  I used to get together with the French and German counterparts to do the same in France and Germany.  Japan already had a program based on the Mitsubishi reactor on which I consulted at one time.  If anyone should fear nuclear power it should be Japan but they've embraced it completely becasue or their limited natural resources.  France and Germany both are building capacity all the time.  The US knuckled under to special intrest groups and stopped siting new power plants after 1972.  I keep hearing rumors that we may try again.  OK Let the flames fly!
  
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Reply #8 - Nov 13th, 2007 at 2:50am
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I was sure $4.00/gall gas would get us building more nuc plants, wind plants.  Now i'm convinced I'm wrong.  Maybe $5/gall will?  Can't come soon enough in Wally's world.

Go nuclear!
Go solar!
Go wind!

(I've been hearing of major advances in thin film technology for solar panels with a sig cost decrease/watt generated.  Fact or Myth?  Anyone see the Spanish "solar" plant that puts out MEGA wattage?  Their building number two now I hear.)

SORRY....I'm good at derailing threads.  Yes, bring on the irradiated foods.  I'm all for it.
  
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Reply #9 - Nov 13th, 2007 at 12:55pm
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As long as the thread is already teetering on the rails, I'll ask a question that it sounds like we have folks who will know the answer.

Isn't there a major concern for the waste materials that are generated from running a nuclear power plant? I'm all for clean energy, but I seem to remember a show that was all about the long term storage issues invloved with spent fuel (?) from the plants.
  
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