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Pilot Biscuits
Nov 17th, 2008 at 5:21pm
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Next summer I am planning to go on a 15 day trip.  I'm thinking that's a lot of bread for  PB & J lunches.  Way back in the last 80's I remember having pilot crackers(biscuits).  Thought that might be an alternative to bread or boxes of saltines (less bulky  ? ).  Thinking of weight too.

Anyone had them lately?  Tasty?  What's been your experience?

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Reply #1 - Nov 17th, 2008 at 9:29pm
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I know that Canoe Canada uses them as a part of one of their lunches in their meal plan. I'm not sure where they get them from though. My recollection is that they're kind of dry and bland... You might think about using bread for the first week, and then switching to these when the bread runs out. Or maybe look into flatbreads, like what gyros come in. Maybe if you vacuum-sealed some they might hold up better and last longer.
  
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Reply #2 - Nov 17th, 2008 at 11:30pm
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 When I was in the service (ARMY), we had what they called survival biscuits/hardtack or "pilot biscuits" in some field rations.
  I remember that they were shelf stable, but hard as rocks and tasteless.  That was in the late 60's, so maybe the newer versions are better?
 I found these by Rich-moor, at the Campmor web site. I guess you could order a few different brands and do a taste test before you go.

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These come 16 to a 7.5 oz bag, so depending on size of biscuit, I'm thinking you'd eat at least 2 of them with condiments?
 I'm into the healthy eating thing, so the list of ingredients is a red flag for me, but everyone has different ideas on this.
 I think Ranger was on to something with the flat bread idea? Or to be more specific, how about Whole Wheat Flour Tortillas?
 I have some in my fridge, there salad plate size, very healthy and being stone ground whole wheat, there loaded with COMPLEX carbs for long term energy.
 Figuring one tortilla per person, with condiments, They might be worth a look? Being flat, they will pack well, keep there shape and last for a couple of weeks, unless there in high heat.
 I take these for lunch, I bring Venison sticks, one per tortilla and 2 small rounds of those wax covered cheeses, cut in half.
 Le us know how your biscuit tests come out. Hopefully there better than I remember Grin
  
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Reply #3 - Nov 17th, 2008 at 11:43pm
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  I found this recipe in my old backpacking recipies. Never tried it, but sounds better than the store bought ones. Looks like a winter afternoon's project.

Hardtack Recipe:

3 cups all-purpose flour 1 cup whole wheat flour 1/2 cup yellow cornmeal 1/2` cup cracked wheat 1 tablespoon sugar 1 tablespoon salt 1 3/4 cups buttermilk

Combine flours, cornmeal, wheat, sugar and salt. Add buttermilk, mix well, and knead briefly. Shape dough into golf-ball-sized portions. Dust with flour and roll very thin. Place on greased and floured baking sheet. Bake at 400 degrees, turning several times, until lightly browned on both sides. Cool; then store in waterproof container. Keep from moisture. This makes about twenty four 3 1/2 inch crackers. My last batch took about 24 minutes, turning 4 times for each of the two oven loads.
  
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Reply #4 - Nov 18th, 2008 at 2:59am
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I too have had pilot biscuits AKA hardtack in MRE's (solo, things apparently haven't changed much since the 60s) They are terrible. Original hardtack was designed to be soaked in grog (rum cut 50/50 w/water) to soften it up so keep that in mind while ingesting them. I'd suggest soft taco shells or pita bread. Keep in an air tight container and you should be good for 15 days, just make sure its the last item you buy and make sure it has an expiration date close to your 15th day (or beyond, I dont really know how far out they put expiration dates on bread).

Another thought is bringing bisquik type baking flour to make breadish food for pb&j....not sure what the weight to produced product is on that, but it might be worth looking into
  
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Reply #5 - Nov 18th, 2008 at 2:29pm
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Thanks guys for the info.  I needed to know that pilot biscuit have little to no taste. I hadn't thought of pita bread.  My brother is a big eater so that might work better than tortillas.  I' think I'll try to stretch 2 loafs of bread for 6  or 7 days and vacuum pack pita for the rest of the trip.

Solo, thanks for the recipe.  Might try that at home first.
  
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Reply #6 - Nov 18th, 2008 at 4:29pm
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Monjon,
Your very welcome!
I take 2 pkg of either the Tortillas/Whole Wheat Pita/Whole Wheat Wrap Bread ( very thin like tortilla) for 2 week trip, 1 piece per day.
They usually come about 8 per pkg. In Mid-May when I normally go, they stay good for 4-5 days once open and if kept as cool as possible.
After that they get a few green spots, which I tell myself is penicillin, and I eat them anyway Grin
 So, I would take Drewfus's idea about the expiration date, PLUS I would repackage the bread in a vacuum seal bag, say 4-5 days worth for the two of you. I use plastic Sterilite boxes in my food pack, and so I made a protective cover for the round flat breads. I took 2 pieces of flat cardboard and duct tape 3 sides and put the bread in. I then stand the cardboard on end and on the outside of box. This keeps them from getting mashed.

Drefus:  Knowing the government, and the shelf life of Hardtack, I would be surprised if the stuff you had in your MRE's WAS from the 60's Cry  In the 60's with the Vietnam war raging, they tried to keep cost's down.  2x a week we had WW2 era K rations made into cafeteria lunch!  They took the condiment packages and put them out on a table for anyone too take.  Everybody smoked in the WW2 era, so they had a 4 pack of cigarettes in the K rations.  I smoked for a couple of years while in the service, as most of the guys did. These 4 packs of cigarettes were Lucky Strike GREEN and were non -filtered ! Not only were they 20+ years old, they were so STRONG, we smoked them to get a nicotine BUZZ Grin  If you were man enough to smoke them, you were man enough for just about anything!
  
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Reply #7 - Nov 18th, 2008 at 5:09pm
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Ranger wrote on Nov 17th, 2008 at 9:29pm:
I know that Canoe Canada uses them as a part of one of their lunches ....
Here's the kids reaction to the Canoe Canada version of Pilot Biscuits that Ranger mentions.
I thought they were fine along with the cheese spread that came with them, but as you can see, 2 of the 3 in the picture seemed to think otherwise!
This year they were different from the ones CC used to provide.  Similar, but rectangular whereas the old ones were smaller, round, lighter colored and had a bit more taste.
-Tom
  
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Reply #8 - Nov 18th, 2008 at 8:52pm
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That picture says it all Grin
Maybe this is why the original hardtack was soaked in Grog, that made them at least palatable.
  
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Reply #9 - Nov 18th, 2008 at 9:37pm
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monjon wrote on Nov 18th, 2008 at 2:29pm:
...I' think I'll try to stretch 2 loafs of bread for 6  or 7 days and vacuum pack pita for the rest of the trip.


Monjon,

I really like to vacuum pack meals, but have found that a pack of pita or tortillas will become a single dough lump if vacuumed.  You could try wax paper between each pita.  I've never had much luck with pita lasting longer than 2 or 3 days without getting very moldy.  For a 15 day trip, I'd have to recommend bannock (search for recipes in this forum).
  
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Reply #10 - Nov 18th, 2008 at 9:54pm
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I started out using English Muffins but switched to flat bread. Flat bread works better for me, moister than E-M, especially with PBJ. Both pack well. Used them with summer sausage and cheese, or PBJ. Soft wraps work good to, couscous and some left over fried fish.

I've gone to skipping the lunch stuff while soling and just snack; GORP, Cliff bars, Jerky.
  
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Reply #11 - Nov 18th, 2008 at 10:00pm
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Warmer season, forget the summer sausage and cheese. Neither look good after a few hot days.

Yes, flat bread gets a mold started sooner than the drier E-M.
  
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Reply #12 - Nov 19th, 2008 at 2:01pm
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jjcanoeguide, thanks for the vacuum seal idea.  I'll have to test it out.

Thanks again everyone for your info.
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 6:14am
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I bring flour tortillas on 10-day trips and have yet to see a speck of mold.  Matter of fact, I never refrigerate them at home either.  I have a pack that's been open at room temp for weeks and it's just fine.

Cheese and hard salami will keep well for 2 weeks even in the heat of summer in the Q, too.  Buy small sealed packages that you can burn thru in 2-3 days.  As long as they stay sealed, they stay fresh.  Once you crack that seal you have a limited shelf life.  Hot cheese may form into some intersting shapes, but it's still tasty.  For my money any sort of jack, colby, or swiss cheese tastes best when held for a long time without refrigeration.
  
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Reply #14 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 11:51am
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You could always carry flour to make your own flat bread it takes up very little room in the pack, and it's always fresh. I'll usually make enough for the evening meal and for lunch the next day to go with PB&J, hummus, tuna fish or sausage and cheese.
  
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  I'm a big fan of those individual cheese mini-wheels they sell at Sam's club type stores. They come a dozen or so in a net bag. The wax keeps the cheese fresh even in the heat, and a few of the wax covers mashed in your hand, make a nice little fire starter for the evening campfire.  Snowdog is right, air is your enemy, so if you can re-package and maybe vacuum seal that will extend the shelf life of just about anything.
  
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Reply #16 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 1:09am
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Last year I saw these Swedish Wasa "crispbreads" at local Big Lots store (St. Louis, MO area) and decided to give them a try. They are very thick "crackers" which held up well in the food pack, tasted OK (a little bland by themselves) and we ate them with sliced summer sausage and sliced "waxed cheeses" that others have mentioned. Might want to find some and try out at home. (Don't know how widely they are sold.) Here is website with pictures of product & packaging.

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my guess is that there isn't a more durable, chock full of flavor cracker this side of the mississip.

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Those look real good !
  
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Sorry to the butcher-was thinking about the sapphire...

Been using a outback oven for 4-5 years now. Make yeasted bread, biscuits, cornbread, brownies, and various cakes-+ pizza. on trail with just me and the boy-who is now eight. The yeasted bread is a walk in the park. One can use from scratch receipes or spend the buck on prepackaged bread machine mixes. The boy gets a kick out of seeing his dad walk around with the belly made of bread dough. If I am traveling I will double bag it with the outter bag open-bread dough can make a mess. Fresh bread is nothing that you should be afraid of... it is really a walk in the park...pardon the BUN. If you have made bread b4 you all know what I mean. What you dont eat the day of it is the next days lunch.....3-4 days is the breaking point however, but it never lasts that long. I vaccuum bag the bread mix all together less the yeast, olive oil,and the H2O with the 2 extra zip locks-one to mix and knead in and one to store the cooked loaf in-be sure to cure the bread before storing-must be cool and dry. There is nothing like warm fresh bread and butter with the poached Laker and thyme carrots...dont forget the cocktail and the hammock! Or how about blueberry cornbread....or chocolate chocolate chip blueberry cake, maybe raspberry yellow cake.  A walk in the park....really.
  
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Reply #20 - Mar 9th, 2009 at 3:14am
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A durable baked good is the bagel.  Thousands of years of proven performance.  I'm talking about real bagels, not the WonderBread-itized bagels which dominate the supermarket shelves.  I find the cheapest generic/store brand bagels are the most durable you can get at the supermarket.  (If you're lucky enough to be near a kosher bakery, get your bagels there.)

It is the only bread I do not have to worry about its location in the food pack.  Practically indestructible, maintains its integrity after numerous crush cycles, versatile enough for every meal, comes in plain and flavored.  Nothing comes close, IMO.
  
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Reply #21 - Mar 9th, 2009 at 1:32pm
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About a month ago I conducted an experiment with whole wheat wraps. I keep a sealed package on my desk for two weeks and then tested them with PB & J and they were still tasty .  No mold.   Two seemed filling enough for a quick lunch.  That's what I'm going with on our 15 day trip.
  
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Reply #22 - Mar 9th, 2009 at 4:03pm
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I always go with the WHOLE WHEAT whether in pita bread, flat breads,  wraps or the timeless bagel. The difference in taste and nutritional value over white bread is substantial and does make a difference in keeping your energy level from spiking as it would with simple carbs.
  
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Reply #23 - Mar 30th, 2009 at 4:29pm
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Oldgreygoose, we carry Wasa or Ryvita on all of our trips..light, crunchy, great with pbj or with devilled ham with our lunches.  For breakfast or to accompany stew, we carry our own pre-mixed bannock mix...also doubles for pancake mix when we manage to bag enough of the elusive wild blueberries that inhabit Quetico.  That said, the packets of Wasa or Ryvita are light and easy to pack.  We especially like the dark rye version of Ryvita....for the fibre, if nothing else!
  
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Wendy

do you pack the cracker in a hard sided container to keep them from crushing?
  
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