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Reply #20 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 12:07pm
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SunCatcher,

If I can possibly assist with routing, I'd be happy to.  My party recently returned from a Lund - Knox - Murdock - Irvine - Royd - Gammon - Prairie - Indian House - Lund "loop".  Last year we did a Leano - Kilburn - Paull - Aegean - Wrist - Mexican Hat - Leano "loop".

If info on any of that might be useful, let me know.

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Reply #21 - Jul 25th, 2010 at 10:21pm
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Jimbo,
Going to Leano and then to Burnt Rock Hansen Wrist and through Agean's to Paul and then back to Leano.
7 days 6 nights.  any advice or campsite suggestions, what-outs, or whatever would be appreciated as it is all new to me.  Been to the BWCA but this is first solo and WCPP trip.  I have everything ready to go...can't wait. 
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Reply #22 - Jul 26th, 2010 at 1:13am
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SunCatcher wrote on Jul 25th, 2010 at 10:21pm:
Jimbo,
Going to Leano and then to Burnt Rock Hansen Wrist and through Agean's to Paul and then back to Leano.
7 days 6 nights.  any advice or campsite suggestions, what-outs, or whatever would be appreciated as it is all new to me.  Been to the BWCA but this is first solo and WCPP trip.  I have everything ready to go...can't wait.  
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You might want to take a look at my solo trip report from THIS year.  Based on your route, I ran from Leano to Hansen in JUne.  However, my route into Mexican Hat was via Jake rather than Burnt Rock.  I think the general consensus from our trip LAST year was the the route via Jake (although more portages) was easier than Burnt Rock (unless the portage into Mex Hat has seen a portage crew since then).

Going into Hansen, be prepared for the "Chute" just before Hansen.  Its a good place to get dumped.

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Reply #23 - Jul 26th, 2010 at 3:17am
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Talked to Claire a week or so ago.  She said the crews were on the Leano Loop like this last week working that route.  So will find out I guess.  I understand the 800 meter portage is downhill to Mexican Hat.
I also just want to go to Burnt Rock I here it is a pretty lake.
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Reply #24 - Jul 30th, 2010 at 3:55am
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Just got back from that route from Leano, Jake, Mex Hat, Wrist, Aegean, Paull, Elephant Head and back to Leano. I saw no crew or sign of things being done... just signs of things to be done. I'm not complaining... we enjoyed the challenges. I thought of DD a lot while going the same way to Mex Hat... The portage going into Mex Hat was the biggest challenge and the dogs did better than I did. I fell pretty hard while carring two packs, but got right up to my sons surprize. I thought the falls were awesome. There was a float plane at the end of the portage, he seemed nervous about being there and took off. We walked up the portage to Burnt Rock Lake a ways... It's obviously much less used. If you intend to do the route you suggest in seven days, your pushing it in my opinion. Get an early start the first day... Getting a fishing lisense took a long time. We barely got our park permit and they closed the office for a little while. We were dissappointed with the campsite map. There is no way a fair amount of the sites listed are suitable. The road to Leano is not a fast road... Plan about two hours, they say an hour and a half... depends on your vehical and what your willing to put it through. By the time everything happened we could only get to a site at the end of Leano the first day.
  
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Reply #25 - Jul 30th, 2010 at 10:42am
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Thanks nctryBen, DD, and Jimbo for all the Help...,
I figured I could play by ear...but am going to Burnt Rock and If tired I will shoot West to Wrist instead of going North to Hansen.  I actually want to see Brurnt Rock and do the 800 meter portage as a chhallenge.
Anyway Thank you all for your help.
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Reply #26 - Jul 30th, 2010 at 1:19pm
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nctry_Ben wrote on Jul 30th, 2010 at 3:55am:
There is no way a fair amount of the sites listed are suitable.



Amen to that!!!  We spent 12 days in the park further north.  MAYBE 40% of the campsites shown in park literature even exist!  Either that OR their standards for campsites are incredibly low in WCP.  Their campsites are smaller, further apart, & often don't exist.  As a hammock camper, it doesn't much matter to me; just give me two suitable trees & a decent flat rock to land my canoe.  However, if you are tent-camping in WCP, think small tent pads and be prepared to clear out spots from the brush, especially if you get off the established canoe trails.

Nevertheless, none of this will deter me from returning to this beautiful park!  

Just be prepared & you will be fine.

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Reply #27 - Jul 30th, 2010 at 2:10pm
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Jimbo wrote on Jul 30th, 2010 at 1:19pm:
nctry_Ben wrote on Jul 30th, 2010 at 3:55am:
There is no way a fair amount of the sites listed are suitable.

Amen to that!!!  We spent 12 days in the park further north.  MAYBE 40% of the campsites shown in park literature even exist!  Either that OR their standards for campsites are incredibly low in WCP.  Their campsites are smaller, further apart, & often don't exist.  As a hammock camper, it doesn't much matter to me; just give me two suitable trees & a decent flat rock to land my canoe.  However, if you are tent-camping in WCP, think small tent pads and be prepared to clear out spots from the brush, especially if you get off the established canoe trails.


I must admit to having done a bit of campsite research before I departed.  One avenue I used for this was to read as many trip reports as possible from (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)  This gave me a little insight into at least one campsite on each lake I was planning to visit ... that, plus my route this year (Leano to Mex Hat) I'd traveled last year.  In addition, with my anticipated late start this year, I specifically asked the WCP Staff about campsites on western Bunny and the no-name lake just beyond.

So, based on my experience from this year, the only campsite I had to spend time "brushing out" was my exit campsite on Hjlarmar Lakes (which I assumed would be iffy).

But a warning to the wise!  The park staff has not formally released their campsite map.  Their plan is not to do so until they have CONFIRMED the identified campsite.  Thus, you should anticipate availability at something like the level of the PCD where the only reference to the campsite comes from Legacy Forest.  These I would call "historical" campsites ... sites that might have been identified in the past 100 years ... and by now have no resemblance to a campsite that we would recognize.  I found this to be the case with a campsite I stayed on in a no-name lake just north of Hurlburt in Queticio.  You could find a few scattered rocks that were once a fire ring, but other than a partially destroyed small tent pad, the site was covered with 6 inches of raindeer moss (and that stuff doesn't grow very fast).

So, based on my knowledge of the campsites within WCP, I made the conscious decision not to press on into late day travel unless I was absolutely certain that I had a campsite to go to at the end of that leg.

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Reply #28 - Jul 30th, 2010 at 6:05pm
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I suppose this should be a whole new thread... But we did get a map handed to us from the park office and although we found campsites by using it we found most campsites don't exsist. Even many with fire rings there was no way to clear for a tent pad, let a lone two. I thought of Jimbo and his hammock while I was out there... My next investment! I think group sizes in WCPP are best kept very small. At the present I don't see the park able to handle near the people as the BW and Q for the campsite reason alone. A group of three guys who we met going in and paddled parallel to us to Mex Hat made a point to ask me to not tell anyone about the park. I understand thier concern, but to late... The word is out. I saw at least six different groups out there as I was out there. None to big... The biggest group was a group of four on Aegean going to see the falls. I was at a campsite that Doc pointed out as a good one to me. It was... but the sad thing was a group had deposited thier human waste rather close to the tent pad. It looks like they had no choice, but I found a better place. Same with the little island on Wrist. We found ourselves paddling to the bigger island to do our business. And yes we had dogs with... We were careful to pick up after them in campsites and portages. We found ourselves picking up after others too. Well, I better get back to unpacking... Grin
  
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Reply #29 - Nov 27th, 2010 at 8:12pm
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I wonder if Doug or somebody from the WCPP staff could tell us what kind of usage the WCPP got this year compared to previous years. It seemed I've heard of a number of people that were surprized at the number of people they met this year in the park.
  
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