B,

If you are looking for concrete answers to your questions then you won't find them on QuietJourney or any other forum.  The best anyone here can do is guess at what the forest service and law enforcement was thinking in how they responded to your complaint.  The only people who can give you answers are the forest service and law enforcement and they have done so.  You clearly don't like their answers but no amount of complaining here on QJ is going to resolve the problem to your satisfaction.  As you see, members of this forum have a wide spectrum of views on the subject as you might expect.  We don't run a private club where membership is only allowed to those who think a certain way or have certain beliefs.

If you want guesses about why the authorities acted as they did, here are some guesses:

Maybe they did try to get a flight to the area in question, maybe they did not.  They say they did and it's up to you to either believe them or not.

Why did they not send in authorities by canoe?  My guess is they made a judgement call that they could not spare the manpower for the length of time such a trip would take without what they regarded as an unacceptable reduction of their ability to respond to other more potentially serious threats  during the duration of the trip.

How could they be sure that even if they showed up at that campsite that those same people would be there and what is the likelihood that they'd be able to do anything more than give a speech about wilderness ethics and safety?  To "catch them in the act" would require a stealth approach of camping nearby and observing for a minimum of one evening.

Also, this really comes down to your word vs. the party in question.  From your photo, it's impossible to judge if the fire was a hazard.  Clearly it's a possibility, but it's not a certainty.

It would be nice if the authorities up there had the resources to chase down incidents like this every time they received such a report.  The simple fact is, they don't.  You probably complain about your taxes the same as I do.  We all think we pay too much but then we scream bloody murder when our government is financially constrained from performing duties we feel need to be performed.  Can't have it both ways.  These guys are competing for the same dollars that also go towards education, national security, welfare, GM, bailouts for overleveraged risk-takers who endangered the very fabric of our economy, crumbling infrastructure, and on and on and on.  Every time choices are made about funding, there will be those who disagree with the choices made.

bumabu wrote on Jun 4^th, 2009 at 9:21am:


I'm all for a spirited discussion of ANY topic, as long as people don't get into personal attacks. I responded in sympathy too your initial post, having no first hand knowledge of the event, I gave you the courtesy of taking your post as factual, or better still, the "facts" as YOU believe them too be.
 Other's saw things different or offered explanations for the events that triggered your post.
As other's have noted, the rules are ALWAYS open too the interpretation of the authorities.
I've called the local police with a noise complaint, only too have them tell me it didn't qualify as a arresting offense, the most they could do was ask them too voluntarily turn it down.
 One thing that most of us QJers agree on is that making personal attacks won't get you very far or make anyone more likely too agree with your opinion.
 Anytime you post here, especially when its a controversial topic, your going too get opinions reflecting the varied backgrounds and personal experiences of the people on this board.
 You want too get along here, you learn too argue the merits of the idea, NOT attack the individual who has a differing view.

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06/04/2009 03:42AM
   
Ignorance knows no bounds, as some here have proved. And as for the QJ board, just publicizing this disgrace of forest police work, haven't checked back to read any replies.......but I will now. Let me go cause some havoc over there!

06/04/2009 04:31AM
   
What a bunch of heroes over there on QJ!!!!! "approach the campsite in early morning hours and start small talk and blah blah blah.....take pictures of interior of campsite blah blah blah" OK, let me go and rile the sleeping Taliban, dont think so, I dont pretend to be a tough guy.....like some.

Troll . . .  

Your first posting on this matter was informative and interesting.  Too bad about the rest.

-YB

OK. It seems I'm one of those who can't read. Can someone please highlight the specific rules or regulations that were broken?


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IMO - Let's ASSume Bumuba simply invented the 'early' and 'rile' adjectives to forward a personal whine objective that doesn't seem to interest enough visitors of the usual forums. Credibility remains rather important here. Brevity, well ... Since it looks like a complete list, maybe I can repurpose the effort.


BTW - As someone who uses these puppies to an extreme... ... - correct me --- dumb down the rules if you must ... show me a better way... I'm here to learn and do gooder.   Nah, seriously!

That is why I was asking what HIS problem was...just did not seem like it was the stuff that happened in the triangle...seemed way bigger.