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Reply #30 - Sep 30th, 2009 at 10:26am
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I'm coming late to the discussion. There are lots of thoughts above I'd echo. I like cooking over the open fire, with a modest fire ring with good draft.

Maybe this exposes me as a crusty old SOB, but I think the "troubles" many of us have with trash and thoughtlessness is akin to trash thrown out of vehicles, soda bottles dropped along the sidewalk (a significant feature of the university campus where I taught), a general "someone will pick it up" attitude. Dozens of times I've picked up soda bottles and deposited them in the re-cycle bins only a few feet from where the bottle was dropped. There's a sort of social pathology here.

Yeah, I am exposed as a crusty old man. Oh, well. Some of you knew that.

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Reply #31 - Sep 30th, 2009 at 10:49am
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Yup, I knew that.   Wink  But a lovable crusty old man, at any rate.   Grin
  
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Re: Quetico campsite fireplaces
Reply #32 - Sep 30th, 2009 at 11:00am
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Neal, there is a pretty decent "orientation" for trips to the BWCA and it mentions making a small fire within the fire grate.  But the same mentality that allows people to leave TP blossoms near a campsite in the Q or build silly huge fireplaces that you guys like to dismantle is alive and well in the BW as well.  There are jerks everywhere--unfortunately they just let MORE of them into the BW!

And PJ, I could also mention that we took a Lakes 1-4 trip a couple of years ago and never once saw a mess at a campsite.  Were out for 8 days, I believe.  Didn't pick up anyone's trash, rework anyone's fire site, or find any campsite that was anything other than overused and loved to death.  We were back there after about a 30-year absence and I was surprised to see that it looked remarkably the same.

We just finished a little short (6-day) trip out of Sawbill at the end of August/early September and I expected to find a lot of trash and mess at the campsites in that busy area.  Picked up garbage at one lunch site and that was literally all of it.  The sites were in beautiful condition, overall.  

There are exceptions.  The BW is overused.  But no, the example Mike cited isn't what I "expect".  Even at Lakes 1-4.  You can still do a beautiful canoe trip there.
  
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Reply #33 - Sep 30th, 2009 at 4:59pm
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Lynda, I figured they must have something, of course as a ex-teacher you know more than anyone, that you can't learn IF you ALREADY think you know it all.  

 A_A,
We need MORE crusty old SOB's telling like it is, I don't know the "AGE" requirement for the position, but I'm thinking it's as much about the right attitude as the years Wink Of course being a grey bearded crusty SOB, gives you the "proper" look!  Clint Eastwood in the UNFORGIVEN has it down pat!

The local park I exercise in has a 6 ft dog leash law on the trails, and provides bags for cleaning up the poo. Almost every time I'm out there, I end up "educating/infuriating" someone who thinks the rules apply for the OTHER guy.

I used to walk by, but now I say something. The people that take it well, either were honestly unaware, or know their in the wrong, and embarrassed that someone confronted them.

Then there are the one's, young/old who not only KNOW their doing wrong, they don't care and will argue and verbally threaten me for asking them to obey the rules.
I have a big puncture scar on my right forearm, front and back, from my UPS driver days. A Ladies Great Dane that she didn't have control over, clamped on me, and caused serious nerve damage, which to this day, still bothers me. Of COURSE she told me her dog had never bit anyone, and I must of done something wrong Huh

 When the leash-less dog owners start up about THEIR dog being harmless/won't bite anyone, I show them my scar!!
 That and my telling them I'll turn them in a ranger station and they'll lose park privileges, works with 99% of them.

The other 1 % just walk off in a huff, and I turn them in. The park employees/rangers all know me, and since their shorthanded do too budget shortfalls, don't have a problem with me saying something.

I find the older I get, the less apt I'm too tolerate bad behavior, especially when people consciously flaunt the rules. I guess you get too a point in your life, where you just can't take it anymore Grin
 Must be those CRUSTY SOB years Wink
  
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Re: Quetico campsite fireplaces
Reply #34 - Sep 30th, 2009 at 8:40pm
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Spartan2 wrote on Sep 30th, 2009 at 11:00am:
And PJ, I could also mention that we took a Lakes 1-4 trip a couple of years ago and never once saw a mess at a campsite.  Were out for 8 days, I believe.  Didn't pick up anyone's trash, rework anyone's fire site, or find any campsite that was anything other than overused and loved to death.  We were back there after about a 30-year absence and I was surprised to see that it looked remarkably the same.

We just finished a little short (6-day) trip out of Sawbill at the end of August/early September and I expected to find a lot of trash and mess at the campsites in that busy area.  Picked up garbage at one lunch site and that was literally all of it.  The sites were in beautiful condition, overall.  


Hi Lynda -- hope you're doing well.  3 of my 4 canoe trips this year were in the BWCA, (1 in the QP).  I found the BWCA, while definitely overused, was surprisingly litter and trash free.  Way too many people on portages, but again, I was impressed with the cleanliness of the place.  It made me optimistic that people care, despite the few idiots who do things we all remember. 

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Reply #35 - Sep 30th, 2009 at 11:37pm
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Solotripper:

Man, are we on the same page! Unforgiven is one of my favorite movies. Lot's like the Louis L'Amour novels -- the good guys are clear and in time they come out on top.

Used to have a Great Dane and they are great pets. Dane and I were walking down the street one day, my dog on a leash and under absolute control -- partly discipline and partly choke chain. A dog came boiling out of a house, smashed through the screen door, and my Dane simply knocked the other dog to the ground and stood there. Guys comes out of the house furious that my dog knocked his dog down. My dog, in the meantime, is simply standing next to me.

Many years ago I was running along the edge of a golf course in Reston, Virginia. Two standard poodles came over a berm, hot for my bod. I faced them, yelled as loud as I could, and made them back off. Lady came over the berm and yelled at me for intimidating her dogs.

You are right. Persons who own dogs need to keep them under control.

Guess I've been a crusty SOB lots longer than I have been a crusty old SOB.

Tim

P. S. Thanks to all who have posted here and given me an opportunity to vent my spleen!
  
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Re: Quetico campsite fireplaces
Reply #36 - Oct 1st, 2009 at 12:11am
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A_A,
 I guess I'm nostalgic for a simpler time, or maybe a time when your WORD was your bond and right and wrong weren't blurred by shades of grey. I know some still feel this way, but not enough too stem the tide.

 My Dad taught me that a mans word was bond, just about the most precious personal item you had. He did business for years after he retired, he like too repair lawn mowers and other small engine items. He charged them 1/3 to 1/2 what  shop would of, and did way more for the money.
 Never had anyone sign a work order, he gave them an estimate, they said yes or no, and he did the job for that, even if he lost money on it.
 All his customers were old school crusty SOB, like Dad. He never had ANY problems until the younger guys (  Boomer age), came around.
THEY had a problem with everything and wanted warranties on repairs to old equipment that most of the shops wouldn't even touch Huh
 After awhile, DAD just said the hell with it, and really retired! Same summer a big storm dropped a big old oak tree in his yard. We cut it up into logs and stacked it near road with a sign " FREE FIREWOOD-TAKE WITH.  Later that week some Boomer age yuppie stopped and asked about the FREE wood? Dad said the sign said it all?
The guy had the NERVE too ask my 75 year Dad who walked with a cane, if he would SPLIT the wood, so he could take it for FREE Sad
 Dad ran him out of the yard, and made me come over and haul all the wood too a friends house who burned it over the winter.
 Yup, things have changed, and not always for the better!
  
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Reply #37 - Oct 1st, 2009 at 12:26am
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Your dad and my dad, cut from the same stock. Starting in 8th grade I began to work for Dad -- doing carpenter work. Spartan 1 & 2 can see a house we built at the corner of Parma Road and Pope Church Road. We never had a contract. Folks asked us to build a house and we did.

Here I am, all these years later, still operating on the same work order and finding most folks don't know what I'm talking about. Oh well.

Tim
  
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Reply #38 - Oct 1st, 2009 at 1:58am
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ummmmmmmm.. yea, we'are a bunch of crusty ol dude"ettes"..but what about the terible Q fireplaces :question

the fact that the BW appears to be overused yet cleaner than Q either supports the fact that latrines and firegrates attract a more civilized clientel, or ones that Bit-zith less , or...our tax dollars are keeping the BW way more cleaner---thank you portage crews Kiss

ummm...db...I really need a spell chequer?


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Re: Quetico campsite fireplaces
Reply #39 - Oct 1st, 2009 at 6:29am
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Spell check - Safari has one built in or maybe it's system based.... I recall the Google toolbar for Firefox and probly Explorer has one.

Fireplaces - So how many time does a person try to get birch that size that to burn, especially in that manner? How does anyone know when something that size is truly out? How tall are the BW grates? Is it acceptable/reasonable to build a small ambiance type fire on top of them?

I'll get off the lawn now....  Grin
  
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