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Re: How long does it take to do a portage?
Reply #20 - Dec 1st, 2009 at 10:37pm
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Thanks QP I have got all of that down.

My estimations have been known too not be to far off.  On a trip recently I estimated arriving on McKenzie late in the afternoon of the first day in the park. We actually got there early afternoon ….. the next day. Oh well.

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Re: How long does it take to do a portage?
Reply #21 - Dec 6th, 2009 at 5:55pm
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I put the same gear in a third back pack that I have and did the same rout.  This is a old exterior frame pack.  I found it to be much more comfortable than either of my canoe packs.  I have a cold now  which effects my breathing but could breathe better because the pack did not compress my chest like the canoe packs do. In spite of my cold I finished the loop in less time than with either of the other packs and it was easier.  Both of the canoe packs put some pressure on my butt and I think that causes my right hip to hurt.  The frame pack does not do this.  I will try it again with this pack and see if my hip still does well. 
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Re: How long does it take to do a portage?
Reply #22 - Dec 7th, 2009 at 1:21am
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I have always been a frame pack guy.  My old Camp Trails has made many trips into the Q.  I also have an internal frame pack and I to like the comfort of how it fits on my back while portaging.  Only issue I've had with the external pack is it will scratch the canoe and it is harder to get in and out of the canoe.  What I really like about frame packs are the compartments, saves digging for those little things when you need them.  Food is an issue in these packs it is harder to pack in smaller areas.  But, I usually pack freeze dried and smaller type foods from the grocery.  
I did find this year on a river trip I took, that if you take a freeze dried pouch and poke a hole in it, then put it in a ziplock freezer vac bag it saves a ton of space.  We would put everything in one bag for that meal then vac it down.  
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Re: How long does it take to do a portage?
Reply #23 - Dec 7th, 2009 at 7:27am
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...old exterior frame pack.  I found it to be much more comfortable than either of my canoe packs.  I have a cold now  which effects my breathing but could breathe better because the pack did not compress my chest like the canoe packs do.

I know that feeling. Do they all have hip belts? Weight distribution equally top heavy?
  
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Re: How long does it take to do a portage?
Reply #24 - Dec 7th, 2009 at 10:38pm
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All of the packs do have hip belts.  The most expensive, newest and with the most adjustments is the most uncomfortable.  The weight does sag down more in the 2 non frame packs than the frame pack.
  
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Reply #25 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 2:47pm
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Nothing wrong with using a frame pack if that works for you.  I always have a packframe with me for portaging the canoe.  For longer portages, I'll just lash my duffle bag to the frame (takes about 60 seconds, if that), hook the shoulder straps of my dayback on the top corners, and use that for the portage. Fitting a fram into the canoe may be an issue - but I've never really had any problems doing it.
  
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Reply #26 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 4:21pm
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Mad Mat raises the most critical weakness, for me, of the frame pack. If big enough to hold much gear, the external frame packs don't fit in the canoe very well. And I have several external frame packs and use them often -- for other purposes.

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Reply #27 - Dec 9th, 2009 at 2:15am
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AA very true they don't hold as much.  The main reason I' pack freeze dried food.  I have found if you turn the external frame pack so the frame is sticking up in the canoe they load and unload much easier.  I tend to strap my pack in the canoe and have found one end of the frame usually slides under the yoke allowing me a better option for strapping it in, fewer scratches in the bottom of the canoe also.
My first trip to the Q we took rented aluminum canoes.  We were able to single portage by sitting the canoe seats on our packs and work the portages as a team.  Heavy but effective.

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Re: How long does it take to do a portage?
Reply #28 - Dec 9th, 2009 at 3:10am
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Long before I added north country canoeing to my slate of outdoor activities, I'd given away all of my external frame packs and gone to internal frame models.  For me, they offered the advantage of being closer to your body and less likely to tip you if your center of balance is not exactly right.

It was a lucky choice for me in that the internal frame packs seem to form to the shape of a canoe more easily than an external frame.  Furthermore, since I mostly paddle solo, they more easily fit into a solo canoe hull.  Generally, my objective is to have minimal (to no) pack profile above the gunwale line.  An external frame fits in very nicely in this context.

My most recent set of pack purchases have been along the lines of an internal frame pack, but with "waterproof" exteriors. 

Yes, admittedly, I have to dig to the bottom of the pack for certain things, but then I don't have exterior pockets to snag on things while loading/unloading or portaging.

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Re: How long does it take to do a portage?
Reply #29 - Dec 9th, 2009 at 9:43am
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QP, ah the days of aluminum canoes! Dad and I bought one about 1955 and we thought we were pretty much something special. I still have it in the garage, but it has been years since I took it out.

You are right that the best way (only way?) to stow an external frame pack in a canoe is top down and slide the top under a thwart as best you can. And the little side pockets do stow little bits that tumble to the bottom of an internal frame pack. Except, as DD notes, the various pockets, belts, rings, whatever on the outside of the packs seem to catch on things, particularly irksome if bushwhacking.

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