25 How long does it take to do a portage? (Read 23136 times)
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Re: How long does it take to do a portage?
Reply #30 - Dec 9th, 2009 at 12:13pm
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Well, people no doubt snicker at us at every portage (behind our backs, of course--we haven't noticed any blatant disrespect) because my main pack is an external frame pack.  It was purchased many years ago with my bulging disk  and my recent rotator cuff surgery in mind, and I was fitted very carefully for comfort in carrying a heavy load.  It is our main food pack.  I carry the bulk of our food inventory in this pack (freeze-dried food, dried fruits, drink mixes, most of the snack items, the lunch stuff like cheese, summer sausage and crackers, etc.) and also three nalgenes of filtered water in the side pockets, and our rain gear is on the top of the big section for easy access.  The sleeping pads are tied to the bottom.  To make it even more unwieldy-looking we now tie a couple of small camp stools to the outside of it!  I suspect I look sort of like the junk man going down the portage!   Smiley

When we load our canoe we don't have our packs level with the gunnels and that has always bothered me.  Our profile is a bit too high.  The big Duluth (tent) pack is in the bottom, and a large Sealine bag (duffle) is behind my seat with this frame pack leaning against it at an angle.  We aren't HIGH above the water, but a bit higher than I am comfortable with.  So we try not to venture out on big water in high winds, and we are fairly cautious about dangerous waters.

But I do like the frame pack.  It is convenient for use, the small pockets are good for the snack items, and I have never found a problem with them catching on anything, although it has been a few years since we did any bushwhacking.   Wink

Mainly I like it because it is comfortable for me on a long portage.  The hip strap makes the weight distribution easier on my back and I seem to have better balance with this type of pack.  I also portage the SeaLine bag, which is a large one, and do well with it, but I have often wished it were the kind with a hip strap.  (new purchase may be in the works on that.)

We are 64 and we probably aren't going to be purchasing a great deal of new gear for our trips at this point.  I read about what everyone SHOULD have and I think back to what we USED to have, look at what we have now (most of which is terribly out-dated and not state-of-the-art) and figure we have come a long way. 

I am just relieved that people don't snicker loudly enough that we hear them.   Grin Grin
  
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Re: How long does it take to do a portage?
Reply #31 - Dec 9th, 2009 at 12:52pm
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Spartan 2, I doubt you'd get much snickering, even behind your back.

My Duluth pack is so old, it's somwhere between the development of rock and dirt. I'm not frugal, I'm cheap.

Certainly balance is a critical matter, and if you have better balance with the external frame pack that's what you should use.

My packs are not always above the gunnel, though I think that is a good idea. Depends on the wind whether I lay them down. Probably a good idea all the time.

Do you and Neil follow MSU hoops? UNC Charlotte men are 6-1 with the only loss to Duke and a 22-point victory over Louisville.

Tim
  
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Re: How long does it take to do a portage?
Reply #32 - Dec 9th, 2009 at 4:50pm
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 I like the internal frame packs, but I can see why other's like the external ones. The little pockets for storing items that get swallowed in a single Duluth style pack is a nice convenience.

 I have put add on side pockets to both my main pack and food pack.
I carry my stove fuel in them, ( no fuel leaks in main bag worries) and any other item that I might need in a hurry/emergency. They hold a surprising amount of stuff, and attach too any pack that has dual side compression straps.

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 They don't seem too snag up on portages/bushwhacks as the main pack is narrower than my profile anyway. Same in canoe, they don't hang-up with their rounded profile.
  
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Re: How long does it take to do a portage?
Reply #33 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 7:42am
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Ancient_Angler wrote on Dec 9th, 2009 at 12:52pm:
My Duluth pack is so old, it's somwhere between the development of rock and dirt. I'm not frugal, I'm cheap.

I like to think I'm just the opposite but sometimes I wonder.

I had a really cheap, old (international orange) frame pack (with an american flag patch sewn on the flap no less) for my first trip. It was sans frame 'cause "those things are bad." (If I still had the frame I'd probably still be using it for the newfangled RubberMaid food pack.)

The one thing I did not like about the backpack was the two compartments and all the pockets and zippers. I should replace my current (big) SealLine pack since I mostly do solo trips now but the thing I like about it most is the tent is the heaviest thing so it's on top. Once the tent is set up, I just pour the rest of the contents into the tent, open the valve on the thermarest and go look for wood. Next day, I don't even stuff my sleeping bag into it's sack. I just throw everything in, put the tent on top and sit on it to squeeze out excess air. If it's raining, that pack will just be a little heavier than usual.
  
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Reply #34 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 10:25am
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db, I thought I was a minimalist! That sitting on the pack is a great idea. After dumping the tent contents in. Gotta try that.

Tim af
  
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Re: How long does it take to do a portage?
Reply #35 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 12:00pm
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We carry our clothing in a transparent waterproof duffle pack (goes inside the Sealine bag) and I always sit on it to compress it before I close it up.  Great way to make a bag smaller!   Smiley

Yes, Tim, we follow MSU hoops.  We are going to the game with Oakland tonight.  We don't have season tickets, though.  Just lucky to have a friend who offered us a couple tickets tonight. 

We still have a Duluth pack that we bought used from Canadian Waters in 1971.  And are using the cook kit we bought (new) from them in 1973.  THAT I would sometimes like to upgrade, but probably won't.  At 65+, I don't think I'll need to trip with new stuff.  Well. . .someday, a new knee, probably.
  
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Re: How long does it take to do a portage?
Reply #36 - Dec 11th, 2009 at 2:53pm
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once your out there you will see that this question is meaningless. The journey is the destination. The sooner you abandon a watch the better time you will have on the trip. If it is any comfort, in the summer you can paddle to 9:30 pm or so.

Kick back and enjoy!
  
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Re: How long does it take to do a portage?
Reply #37 - Dec 11th, 2009 at 5:28pm
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Dead_Dog_Paddler wrote on Dec 11th, 2009 at 2:53pm:
once your out there you will see that this question is meaningless. The journey is the destination. The sooner you abandon a watch the better time you will have on the trip. If it is any comfort, in the summer you can paddle to 9:30 pm or so.
Kick back and enjoy!


Welcome aboard D_D_P

Once you YOU get acclimated, you'll see that in MP's mind and others with similar personalities, planning and "pondering" are the way they operate.
MP goes were few do, and to accomplish what he has, planning is an important facet.
I fall somewhere in the middle. I understand the not watching the clock comment, but I keep one handy for reference on travel days.
As for enjoyment, MP at his ripe "old" age, probably enjoys his trips more than most of us Wink
As always, different strokes for different folks.
  
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Re: How long does it take to do a portage?
Reply #38 - Dec 12th, 2009 at 6:44am
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Dead_Dog_Paddler wrote on Dec 11th, 2009 at 2:53pm:
The sooner you abandon a watch the better time you will have on the trip.

The only time I wear a watch is on vacation because it is THE most valuable time I have to spend. It's in short supply and it's value increases every year.
  
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Re: How long does it take to do a portage?
Reply #39 - Dec 12th, 2009 at 6:57am
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I always wear my watch on solo trips as well...don't want to miss mealtime!
  
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