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Reply #10 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 3:17am
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For a 1st trip I'll echo a post above for a northern entry endorsement; specifically, French Lake and into Pickeral.  It's bigger water but if you have to be wind-bound, I'll take Pickeral over Quetico or Cirrus Lake simply for the view factor and the ability to get into a protected bay or back water.  You can get to "privacy" easy enough from there too as you head west or south and both of you should have a good (an easy) fishing experience.  If you're ending where you began, the wind will typically be at your back for the return.  If mid-May - early June was my window I would consider May 24 - 31st only because the moon phase has become our #1 consideration.  (less wind during the day and more active fish during the day   Wink  )

What Y camp were you at?  (I was conceived and born at Camp St. Croix in Hudson and we have 4 staff alumni in the family)
  
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Reply #11 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 7:27am
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For blackflies, a headnet prevents most people who have the propensity to go insane when under attack, out of the tent. (Although eating can be a challenge.)

On the Deet - if you can find it in a pump spray, get it. BFs love ears and the hat line! One pump or less for each ear and the forehead (shielding eyes and mouth), then spread it to other exposed areas with the back of your hand. It keeps your hands/fingertips DEET free. DEET eats certain types of plastics like cameras and the like and tastes terrible.

BFs are snow-melt dependent. Skeets just need moisture.

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Look for lakes with few or well disbursed campsites, cross your fingers and have a fallback or two in mind.
  
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Reply #12 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 2:37pm
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I'd recommend early June over Mid-May by 10 to 1.  the earlier you go, the fewer bugs, but the weather is more likely to be nasty as not.
Bad weather typically comes out of the NE or E, nicer weather from the W or NW - so you can count on winds form those directions depending on how the weather is.  In that last week of May/ 1st week of June time frame, you can typically expect to have a morning or two with frost.  Day before Memorial Day 2008, there was 4" of snow on the road between Thunder Bay and Atikokan - it snowed at Dawson Cr campground, and it was 20 degrees the next morning.  Normally, there will be a mix of bad and good weather - just depends on your luck.


I've only started a trip in Mid-May (12th) once - I decided that was a lot too early, and mostly go about the first week in June, and now usually try to take in Memorial Day to save a vacation day for me.  Even that time frame can be cold and wet - Just read some of the trip reports on here, and you can see that.

As far as solitude, that is relative.  At the end of May early June timeframe, I'll not normally see many people - one or two parties a day, and 2 or 3 days where I'll see nobody else at all.  To see fewer people than that, you will have to get off the beaten path more - take a portage into a dead-end lake, or camp in some remote back bay.  

Jesse and Maria Lakes tend to have several camps, all in close proximity - I'd avoid camping on them if that is going to bother you.  Most of the larger lakes have enough islands and back bays that you can be away from the flow of traffic when you camp.

If you want a route suggestion, I'd say start on Beaverhouse, and then go into Quetico Lake.  That is a big lake and wind can/will be an issue, but it is relatively easy to "get away" from the main travel routes and feel more secluded.  You will be/should be about halfway down the lake at the end of your first day.  From there, well ?

It depends on what you want to do - if you like moving camp every day and seeing some country, you could head down into Jean, do your layover day there, and then return back thru Quetico L.

6 days (5 nights ?) is not that long a time to do "everything".  With one layover day, that leaves you about 2 days for "in" and 2 days for "out".  A typical full day's travel, with maybe 3 or 4 portages will cover somewhere between 12 and 15 miles, depending on how hard you want to work, and how much you have to fight the wind.  That's mainly why I recommended going into Quetico Lake - good fishing, some of the better pictos in the park (in the Northern arm), lots of good camping, and not much portaging.  If you want to see more country, you can portage one or two lakes out from Quetico, or not.

Bugs at that time of year are really weather dependent.  Usually, not too bad - its before the main black fly season, and mosquitos aren't too heavy either.  Ticks can be an issue, and I think they tend to be worse in the NW quadrant of Quetico than in the other areas - you just need to be aware that they may be out in force, and do a "tick check" every so often.  Ticks are worst on the portages than in camp, but they do like to hide in the pine needle duff.  

My fav bug dope is geting impossible to find. I've always had good performance from Cutter's Creme - not a real high concentration of deet, but it dosen't melt plastic like higher deet can do.

The tip on a pump spray bottle is a good one (you can always take the top off and use the liquid - can't do that if a spray can stops working) - I will either bring a pump spray bottle, or a normal pressureized spray can, and spray the hell out of my hat brim if the bugs are bad, and my sleeves around the wrist, especailly before the start of a protage - that tends to keep them away from my face - I never bother using a head net, but I do bring one just in case I ever really need one.  If you have a heavy canvas shirt, or an average thickness fleece jacket, the mosquitos can't bite you in the middle of the back - I always plan on wearing that heavier shirt as a light jacket for that reason.

If you look at the top of the "general..." forum, you'll find a "The Hot Spot - best of threads" postiing - take the time to read that - lot of good info collected there  and look at the trip reports dated in the timeframe you are considering, to get a better feel for general conditions at that time.
  
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Reply #13 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 3:16pm
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PhantomJug wrote on Dec 8th, 2009 at 3:17am:
What Y camp were you at?  (I was conceived and born at Camp St. Croix in Hudson and we have 4 staff alumni in the family)


My family has a long history with camp Manitowish in Boulder Junction, WI. My grandfather was a counselor; my dad, brother and I were all campers, and now my nieces are 4th generation.
  
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Reply #14 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 1:36am
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Jeremy -- my daughter has that same problem with being very attractive to bugs, or intolerant...  I bought her a "bug shirt" from Midwest Mountaineering in Minneapolis, and she absolutely loves it.  You might check that out too...good Christmas gift??

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Reply #15 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 2:51am
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Jeremy,

Welcome to QJ.  I will cast a vote for Sturgeon Lake as a first Qtrip based on your initial post.  You can get there in a day and a half from Nym either through Maria/Jesse or Dore (or make it a loop route).  Sturgeon has several side route options to get you away from traffic.  It will be reliable for bass, walleye & pike in June.  Trout can be caught along the route.  I agree with MadMat's comment for June.  The probablility of warmer temps are greatly increased and this will help the fish to cooperate.  Put the odds in your favor.  Depending on your experience, bugs may be more tolerable than an extended May cold front.

Any of the above mentioned trip options will be rewarding.  Once you decide, come back to us with your route.  Many here will be generous with notes and tips regarding fishing locations and campsites.

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Reply #16 - Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:46am
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Can't add much to the advice above. Except for the garlic, it's all good.
That said, pump spray insect repellent, not aersol. And, whatever the repellent, it will only prevent the critters from landing on you (or your wife). It will not rid the woods of them. Went with a chap a few years back who used up the entire camp supply trying to stop the buzzing.

And you are right about the utility of this site. I recommend it all the time. Nice people here.

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Reply #17 - Dec 20th, 2009 at 2:32am
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Actually, I think WR begins his 'garlic & onion therapy' before coming to 'Copia each year!   Cry
  
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Reply #18 - Dec 20th, 2009 at 3:02am
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Old Salt wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 2:32am:
Actually, I think WR begins his 'garlic & onion therapy' before coming to 'Copia each year!   Cry


OK, I'll wait til after Copia this year  Cool
  
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Reply #19 - Dec 20th, 2009 at 12:52pm
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Jeremy,

I'll have to weigh in with a vote for a northern entry, as well.  I'm good with all the above reasons & have a couple additional.  Re: bugs... what Mad_Mat said about the winds that time of year is right on.  MANY of the camps I know of on Quetico, Cirrus, & Kasakokwog lakes are situated so as to allow adequate "breathing" with those winds.  In other words, they are oriented so enough wind flow will minimize bug issues.  Of course, when the wind fails to blow, you would be SOL anywhere.

Bear in mind that black flies hatch in streams & shallow moving water.  The closer you camp to it, the more likely you are to have issues.  Also, I'll second Prouboy's endorsement of "The Bug Shirt".  I used it for the first time last year & loved it.

One of the very finest trips I've ever made into Quetico was 2-3 days after ice-out in 1996.  Ice-out was really late that year; we went in during the last week of May.   We encountered NO bugs of any sort (except spiders in a Cache River swamp).  Frankly, though it got COLD at night, we got lucky as hell with weather.  NO rain until the very moment I was loading my canoe back on the truck.   BEWARE... that was one lucky roll of the dice!  Nine out of ten trip reports I read re: camping in May feature remarks about cold nasty weather figuring prominently during significant portions of the trip.

One of the nice deals about the northern tier of Quetico lakes on the west side is that you have very FEW portages & those are generally really short.  You can cover a lot of water while regaining your paddling fitness & gradually work your way into portaging shape.  You'll also find all four species of game fish in those waters.  You'll want to focus on the shallower bays, most likely, for fishing because the main bodies of those lakes are very deep & won't have warmed up much.

PJ makes good points about Pickerel Lake plus, if you're lucky, you get some of those nice sandy beaches, to boot.  If you haven't been on the water since your early years, however, I'd be concerned about paddling in the tempests that can blow up on that lake.  Yes, there are spots to get out of the wind BUT you just might be stuck in them for days at a time when the waves of big Pickerel Lake begin to roll.

Thar's my 2 cents....

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