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Training....who does what?
Apr 26th, 2010 at 6:58pm
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Depending on the trip I like to ease into a bit of training so the trip feels a little less like torture. Usually about 2 months out I'll do an hour a day. Some weights, squats and a stepper that I like. This year I have noticed some "mental" fatigue about 1/2 way through. Yikes! I can't help but wonder if that's age related. I always thought getting old was something that happened to other people.

Just curious about the differing views on training. I know when I was a bit younger I didn't worry about it. First day or two was a little tough but usually got stronger from that point on. That may be you. Others may run everyday or bike etc.
  
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Reply #1 - Apr 26th, 2010 at 8:18pm
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One item that you can take outside and that will give you strength and cardio endurance is very hard to find.

 Everyone has a different take on this. Some feel they will get in shape as the trip progress, others want to be in shape at the start.

Ive exercised for along time, so i can't imagine not staying in decent shape all the time.  Tripping doesn't require "bulk", but muscle endurance/flexibility and balance. Having these will go a long way toward having a safe and enjoyable trip

Mental toughness comes from the will to persevere when you want too quit. I find most older people have more mental toughness than many of the current younger people do. You can be as young and strong as you want, but if your weak mentality and prone to whine, you'll never make your goal no matter what it is.

Do to the poor economic conditions in MI, I'm working a physically demanding job, with 20 somethings in a 12 hour day setting. I won't claim to be the best worker, but I'm close to it, even though at 61, I'm old enough to be their granddad Wink
 Life, like paddling is more a marathon than a sprint. The kids start strong, but fade fast and whine incessantly Sad
 Focus on the task at hand, paddling/exercise and let the other thoughts go for the time being, Hard to do but you can if you work at it.  I'll take mental toughness/stamina over brute strength any day.

If you look at the Elite military units, SEALS/GREEN BERETS/RANGERS, besides being fit, they focus on the mental toughness part. Most of their drop-outs are from the lack of it.
 
It's true that the best exercise for anything, is doing whatever it is you like on a regular basis. Unfortunately not everyone can paddle everyday, so some of us try to find a reasonable alternative.

My good friend is a personal trainer who is always asked what is the best exercise for someone to do?
He says its the one you can do on a regular basis and not get bored with Wink
I'm a firm believer than something is better than nothing.
  
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Reply #2 - Apr 26th, 2010 at 9:11pm
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Solotripper and I have discussed this before. And we're on the same page. Something you will do is better than a professionally designed program you won't do. So, ask yourself, "what can I start and keep at?" When you get the answer, do that.

I'm 72 and retired. I work out at a local gym, weights, treadmill, cycle, the whole bit. So, I don't get in shape to go. In fact my trips to the outback are sort of a respite.

But here are a couple of suggestions: 1) to get some good core strength, buy a large excercise ball, inflate it to full capacity, sit on it while watching TV; as the ball tries to roll, you'll need to tighten your core muscles; 2) yoga, it's not about what you think it is; been at it about 10 years and it has improved flexibility and balance.

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Reply #3 - Apr 26th, 2010 at 9:52pm
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I'm 56, and yeah, strength does diminish with age regardless of what I'd like to believe.

For cardio and lower body strength, I run. Running is pretty stressful on the joints though (knees especially), so many people would be better off cycling for quad strength.

For upper body strength, I use free weights (because they're downstairs, and not somewhere I have to drive to). Anything is probably good, as long as all the muscle groups get exercised.

Although I don't have one, I have heard from many people that cross-country ski machines are the best single training device around. Usually not cheap though.

For mental toughness, I've never found canoeing terribly demanding. Long, ugly portages or monster headwinds maybe. Distance running or cycling in miserable weather is about the same as canoeing in miserable weather. Some days you need a lot of mental toughness just to make it through the front page of the newspaper without going berserk.

So do you really have to do anything before embarking on a longer canoe trip? Some people (not me) can stay relatively fit even without formal exercise programs, and would probably be able to complete a decent circuit with full enjoyment and minimum pain. But if you want to get close to your potential, and when paddling really enjoy getting into that optimum heart rate zone and staying there, I would guess most people probably need a couple of months training minimum. (Gotta have dem endorphins).

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Reply #4 - Apr 26th, 2010 at 9:57pm
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It is a rare day that I don't get in 1.5 - 2.0 hours of training.  On weekends I'll go closer to 3 hours (I take long bicycle rides and equally long walks/runs with my dog and I cross-country ski when I can).  I am compulsive on the matter of exercise; I simply do not feel well when I miss a workout.  I am quite fortunate to have the circumstances permitting me to workout as much as I do.

During the week, there is an aerobic component included every day (a couple miles of running OR running the full basketball court doing lay-ups or pulling up for jump shots OR Cybex Machines OR elliptical machines, stationary bikes, stair-steppers, etc.).  I like to change-it-up a lot.  Keeps my workouts fresh.  Somedays this component goes a full 1.5 hours, somedays only half an hour.  I can predictably burn 1200-1400 calories in one hour on the Cybex Machine while reading.  

Every other day I include a weight-resistance component to my workout.  It's mostly upper body stuff and gut-buster exercises which take me about 45 minutes to complete.  

The third component I've introduced this past year involves core muscle strength-building & stretching, which I do at least every other day.  This routine came about as a result of phyical therapy I was undergoing for back surgery that I had during Thanksgiving week.  I had completely underappreciated how valuable these muscles are.  These routines are both Pilates-like and Yoga-like.  They take 30 - 40 minutes and I feel like a new man everytime I finish with them.  Not only is it invigorating; sticking with this component since Thanksgiving has clearly helped me with my other, more rigorous exercise activities.

When I can get away, I'll also get out for a half-hour walk at lunch.  Alternatively, there are a bunch of 20 & 30 somethings playing full court basketball at the local Rec Center for a full hour at lunch every other day.  I've started back with those guys (the surgery had slowed me down) maybe once every other week and, so far, I haven't been embarassed.

Sadly, as much as I do work out - and I've been doing so religiously for decades now - I really do NOT control my diet.  I also know I need to get a handle on this.  No matter how hard or how long you work out, your body's metabolism simply does not burn calories as effectively as it did when you were younger.

When canoe-tripping time rolls around, there really isn't much extra that I do to get ready.  Oh, I guess in some years I'll fill up my blue barrel (ie. food pack) with 80 pounds and go walk around the woods for an hour or so.  I really don't mind anymore the weird stares I would sometimes get from folks when I did that.  That one year when I threw the canoe on my back, too, was real memorable!

I might do a little paddling in advance but nothing really gets the hands & shoulders quite conditioned like a steady diet of paddling (which I don't do).  The weight lifting & the other stuff I do probably offsets some of this issue but, in most years, I'm bound to feel a little soreness for the few days of a trip until I get battle-hardened.

I will say this, though: No amount of working-out helps much when you come down with the flu during a canoe trip.  That has only happened to me once but that once was enough!  Could be that the only reason I got through those 10 days or so that year WAS because I had been working out so much (AND because I stayed conservative w/routing options AND I had a sympathetic & helpful paddling party) but, at the time, even I thought I was going to run out of gas & might have to be carried out!

I am serious about year-round fitness and I always have been.  It's more than just trying to hold onto yesteryear; I just feel better for it.   My intention to be canoe-tripping for a minimum of another 15 years - if it comes true - will be a secondary benefit but a very important one for me.  I guess at age 70 I'll re-calibrate & see where I am then.  Having said that, I also know it will take continued good fortune to make such tripping possible (good health, continued employment, no new obligations, etc. & so on).

If your circumstances permit it, I strongly recommend maintaining a year-round exercise program.  I've never met anyone who has done so regret making the move.  Two years ago, one would never have used my wife's name and the word "exercise" in the same sentence.  Eighteen months ago, she acquired the year-round exercise habit and she will never be the same... and never go back.  Stronger, fitter, 40+ pounds lighter, and full of energy.

Ok, I'm off my soap box now.

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Reply #5 - Apr 26th, 2010 at 10:08pm
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I'm just a slug and my traveling companions have to drag me.  Grin  Slugs don't suffer much from mental stress.

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Reply #6 - Apr 26th, 2010 at 10:16pm
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M_T -- I have found that if I exercise with someone else, I am much more conscientous about going.  Guilt is a powerful thing if you harness it!

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Reply #7 - Apr 26th, 2010 at 10:26pm
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Jimbo wrote on Apr 26th, 2010 at 9:57pm:
I strongly recommend maintaining a year-round exercise program.  I've never met anyone who has done so regret making the move. 

In January I developed a relationship with chair squats and an elliptical machine.  It's the worst hour of my day.

  
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Reply #8 - Apr 26th, 2010 at 10:45pm
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PhantomJug wrote on Apr 26th, 2010 at 10:26pm:
Jimbo wrote on Apr 26th, 2010 at 9:57pm:
I strongly recommend maintaining a year-round exercise program.  I've never met anyone who has done so regret making the move.  

In January I developed a relationship with chair squats and an elliptical machine.  It's the worst hour of my day.



Ah, but note your operative word: "IS", as in it IS the worst hour of my day (versus it WAS the worst hour of my day).  Apparently the "relationship" lives on. 

There remains hope......

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Ah, Joe, when I was 56 I was a runner too. (A couple of marathons in tahe mix.) But my knees finally voted "no." 

And I'm with Jimbo. I don't exercise to live longer (though I probably will). I exercise to live better.

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