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Reply #10 - Jul 4th, 2010 at 9:04pm
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travelingted - Border crossings with possible delays, distance and time all cost something too.
I read your piece as well and while you're certainly entitled to your opinion, your supporting details and facts sound more than a little off to me, someone who thinks it's damn cheap for world class, albeit civilized, canoe camping. The BW just makes it seem expensive IMO.

FWIW - Lead is not banned nor is it scheduled to be banned (that I'm aware of). That would be a bigger deal to almost all fishermen and associated businesses. It could happen I guess, just not soon or retroactively.

In your article you asked: "The approach of Reilly begs the question of what is the purpose of a wilderness park?"
I have an easy canned answer for you that is specific to Quetico:
" 1977- Quetico Park Master Plan is accepted with the stated goal "to preserve Quetico Provincial Park, which contains a natural environment of recreational and historical significance, in perpetuity for the people of Ontario as an area of wilderness that is not adversely affected by human activities". A total ban on motors was to be implemented in 1979.

It appears to me that Mr. Reilly, call him a zealot or cautious steward, is faithfully doing his job within the bounds of the master plan's stated goal. They just had a plan review. I don't recall seeing a final draft yet but they do always ask for public input from US too.

You also wrote: "From the north it is only $11.00, which is a clear upcharge levied on American visitors."
Here's an MNR resource for current Quetico pricing:
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Residents and non-residents have had different rates and quotas since the 80's or early 90's. We joked about it years ago before the Stanton Bay entry was improved and the parking lot was closed to non-residents. The reasoning for both is to favor and encourage use by residents. They are perfectly upfront about it and it seems perfectly reasonable to me.

I've not paid attention in the past but it seems that currently, both residents and non-residents pay the same rate for Cache Bay, Prairie Portage & Kings Point. Considerer what it might cost to operate and supply these stations via floatplane? As I understand it, they continue to serve the most heavily used areas of Quetico Park available to anyone at any price.


Anyway, welcome to QJ. Please note we try real hard around here to at least get our facts straight and it can be challenging at times. Live bait was phased out over a period of years. Stanton Bay entry still confuses people. Passports were on again, off again for years, but always looming large in the background. Barbless was suddenly delayed by a year due to a scheduling mixup. Motor lakes are decided upon every spring. It's hard to keep track of it all as not everything affects everyone. Old, incomplete or just plain wrong info abounds though someone here is usually paying enough attention to share accurate, up to date info when they discover it and think others would benefit from it. The more recent changes must seem daunting to those who go once every few years or have always thought about a first trip.
  
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Reply #11 - Jul 4th, 2010 at 9:07pm
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Solo.....

look who's recently been spotted in downtown Atikokan

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Reply #12 - Jul 4th, 2010 at 11:19pm
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That's just wrong Cry
I'll give her/it credit for having the cajoles too walk around like that. She must have one of the Wal-Mart dressing room mirrors at home. The one's that make Muffin Tops think Lycra is their friend Embarrassed
Somewhere Lynda Carter is sobbing uncontrollably Wink
  
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Reply #13 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 1:14am
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There were two BW/Q related articles in the Pioneer Press on July 4: Canoe Businesses see steady drop in visits:   (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)[/url] and the other is about Polymet's "revamped" environmental study: (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  
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Reply #14 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 3:00pm
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Sorry Ted, but your articles are shit - the second one even worse than the first IMO.  Bitch, bitch, bitch.  Quetico is not "Canada's BWCA".  If you don't understand what you are paying $11 or $20 a night for or what Robin et al are preserving then you have no appreciation for what Quetico offers and NO idea what Quetico is.

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Reply #15 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 4:43pm
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And what's the big deal about differential pricing?  Its not unique to Quetico.

As I write this, I'm sitting in Colorado.  Yesterday, I purchased a fishing license ... residents: $26, non-residents: $56.  Last night I attended "Roof Top Rodeo" in Estes Park ... highest, by altitude, in the world.  Ticket prices for general admission ... residents: $5, non-residents: $17.

A few years ago, I was spending a little time in the mountains of northern New Mexico.  I bought gasoline at the local station a couple of days before Memorial Day.  Two days later the price had jumped by $.20 a gallon in preparation for tourist arrivals.

Ever take the train in Italy?  Locals pay 1/3rd the price that tourist get to pay?

Ever rented a car, stayed at a hotel or motel away from home?  Guess what, visitors get to pay a "special" tax for the priviledge of being a vistor.

... and the list goes on-and-on! 

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Reply #16 - Jul 8th, 2010 at 6:10pm
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Thank you all reading my articles and commenting.  Brian, even your negative comments are welcome.  I plan on investigating this matter further as I will be canoeing in Quetico in August.  The lead ban info was given to me by an outfitter.  I should have double checked my info on that one, but I thank you for your correction.
  
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Reply #17 - Jul 8th, 2010 at 6:14pm
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db wrote on Jul 4th, 2010 at 9:04pm:
Anyway, welcome to QJ.


Thank you very much for the welcome.  I know I may have rubbed members the wrong way with my introductory post, especially Brian  Grin, by harshly criticizing Quetico management.  I also know it is faux pas to post links to your site on a first post, and I am sorry for that, but I was interested in input from people who love the area.  I plan on posting here more and contributing to the forum in the future.
  
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Re: Some recent BWCA press
Reply #18 - Jul 8th, 2010 at 6:40pm
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$20 a night per person plus fees in Q, that's pretty expensive.  We didn't make the trip north this year due to money. Wanted to go to Q next year but will probably stay in BW.  Sold some parts to Canada today, gouged them good so I feel better.
  
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Re: Some recent BWCA press
Reply #19 - Jul 8th, 2010 at 7:03pm
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Well. I love making new friends around here.  BnD and I just hit it off today as well.   Grin  Ted appears interested enough to stick around though and thick skinned enought to give it right back.

People biching about the cost of Quetico from the standpoint of penalizing Americans is an invalid argument however.  You need to do your research about what Quetico IS and IS NOT and what its intended purpose and primary function is.  You may not agree with it but too bad.  It is what it is.  Vacation somewhere else.
  
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