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 10 Any help for a long winded angler? (Read 8834 times)
Kerry
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Any help for a long winded angler?
Aug 1st, 2010 at 4:48pm
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Well, I’m getting down to the short strokes now, only 13 days until we’re outta here for 23 days including 17 on the water in Quetico.  I’m hoping to get as much feedback from you all about fishing the Q as you’re willing to give.  This will be my first trip to Quetico and my first extended back country fishing trip.

This is a tandem trip with my wife but she doesn’t fish much so I’ll be taking a two piece Compre M, F and a Saros 2500 reel with 15 lb tracer braid.  We’ll be putting in at Nym heading down through Maria, Jesse, Jean, Sturgeon, Russell, and up through the B chain to Pickerel and out at French.  Based on what I’ve read and some of the feedback I’ve gotten here I’m thinking of Jesse, Jean, Sturgeon, Russell and Beg as destination lakes where we’ll probably hang out for 2 or 3 day layovers.  So those are the lakes I’d like to get feedback on in particular although if you think there is a lake on the way that I should give additional attention to, I’m all ears.  What I’m most interested in are smallies (and large mouth to the extent that they’re out there) although some nice Walleye dinners would be very tasty and appreciated as well.  But I’m not really that interested in jig fishing.  Personally I’d rather cast and catch nothing than sit for hours with a bobber but catch fish.  Just me, you understand.  I expect, where I’m fishing for bass I’ll be hooking Pike as well though I’m really not going after them.

Anyway here’s where I’d like some feedback.  I’ll be fishing with hardbaits and worms (wacky and T-rig) so first, for Senkos I’m thinking 4” or 5” in greens or sand colors (I’m assuming, based on other northern lakes, that those colors will reasonably match the bottom.)  Do those sizes and colors seem like good choices?

For hard baits I’m trying to cull my selection way down so I can get everything into a small plano waist pack holding 2 or 3 small hard cases.  I’m thinking of taking a couple of poppers (Rico Lobina and LC GSplash 65), an LC Sammy 85, a couple of rattlin baits (LC LV 100 and Zenith ZV-70), a couple of LC Pointers – one medium and one deep diver, and a deep diving Z75 crankbait.  Does that sound like a reasonable hardbait arsenal?  I have a ShadRap deep runner SR-8 which might be good for trolling and some Mepps aglias 3’s and 5’s which I could certainly bring along.  The hard baits are all in subdued natural colors – chartreuse shad, baby bass etc.  Do these seem like good choices?  Any other recommendations?

In terms of Walleye, what depth do you think I’ll be finding them between August 17 and September 3?  I don’t have very much experience fishing for Walleye so any tips you can give me would be a real help.  As to the rest, if any of you are so inclined and feeling generous enough to pass on any particularly good fishing holes in or around my targeted lakes, I’d be much appreciative.  What can I expect for smallmouth fishing at that time of year?

Sorry for being so long winded but I’m so excited to be finally, almost, getting ready to leave.

Thanks again,
Kerry
  
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Re: Any help for a long winded angler?
Reply #1 - Aug 1st, 2010 at 6:02pm
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Your tackle selection would be "bare minimum".  Less is not more when your in canoe country for an extended period of time IMO.  Did you happen across the (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) on the site?  There have also been many discussions in the past on what fishing gear to bring and what others recommend.  23 days?  <Napolean>Lucky</napolean>.  I would have at least 2 rods and a rod repair kit with extra guides, line, spools etc...

I would expect mid August walleye between 30-35 feet during the day but up into the 20-30 range later in the afternoon/eve.

This is just my brief opinion however.  You won't have any problems catching fish in August on the lakes along your route.
  
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Reply #2 - Aug 1st, 2010 at 7:42pm
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Yep, went throught the beginner's tips with a fine toothed comb plus Furtman's book for good measure.
  
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Reply #3 - Aug 2nd, 2010 at 12:03am
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15 lb test is a little much.

Theres some good threads in this forum regarding lighter line.

if smallies are all you want, you are going to have a blast.  You are heading to the smallmouth capital of the world, in my humble opinion.

Crankbaits all day long.

Surface baits can be fun during the primetime (early morning and late evening)

Just bring different depth diving crank baits.  Shallow to very deep.
I love the perch pattern.  Can't go wrong there.

Don't forget your polarized glasses, but I doubt I needed to say that.

Have fun.  I'm jealous of the length of your trip.

  
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Reply #4 - Aug 2nd, 2010 at 12:50pm
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I'd also agree your tackle selection is a bit light.  I'd bring a few more crankbaits and a few jigs/jig spinners as well.

You'll want larger/deeper crankbaits for trolling as you paddle and that's something I would very much recommend especially on the larger lakes you'll be paddling.  In general, you'll find fish deeper in mid-August so go heavy on deep baits and light on shallow-runners.  Don't leave the surface baits behind though, for evening fishing.

Worming and jigging are pretty much the same style of fishing so I'm not sure what your bias against jigs is all about.  A few 1/4 oz. jigheads with a pack of Gulp minnows with the twister tails and a pack of Chompers Double-Tail jigs would definitely put more fish in the boat.  Bass and walleye are equally likely to take a Gulp minnow and bass are suckers for a double-tail jig which effectively immitates crayfish.

I'm not familiar with tracer braid but I'd shy away from superlines anymore.  I'd recommend you switch to 8# mono given the barbless regs in the Q.  The stretch you get from mono keeps you from losing fish.  I used to fish florocarbons and superlines exclusively up there but I'm back to mono now with much better results on landing hooked fish.

I'd also recommend a depthfinder of some sort, but that's a whole 'nother topic.
  
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Re: Any help for a long winded angler?
Reply #5 - Aug 2nd, 2010 at 3:48pm
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Superline is fine. Just keep tension on the fish, you'll be fine w/o barbs.  15lb is fine.   You might want to pack a spare spool of line, or a spare reel in case you hit some major twist issues.

Unless the water is gin clear, go ahead and tie directly to the lure. I'm a fan of the palomor knot with superlines.   If the water is clear - you  might want to look at a fluro leader.  Make sure you've got something that will cut the superline (nail clippers aren't so good - I use the superline scissors).

As for lures - add some 4" swimbaits (with the thumper tail), and jig heads. A few safety-pin spinner will turn them into spinner baits.  I think I'd include a white color and some more perchy colors.  Given the time of year - I think you'd want to go 1/4 oz and heavier to get them down to the fish.

  
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Reply #6 - Aug 3rd, 2010 at 2:58pm
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i dont leave home without the 20' taildancer (hot flash) (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links), 7-15' (silver/blue) x-rap in the shad body (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links), the heddon baby torpedo (firetiger), 3' tube jigs (red/silver) to imitate crayfish with 3/8 oz jigs, and 4' ringworms (white, silver, chartruese, and purple) with both worm hooks and 1/16 oz jigs. this covers all species and fishing types.

as for how and where to fish that late in the summer look for reefs or shorelines with real steep drop offs. the fish will hang in the deep water during the day, so hit up the shallower reefs during the days book ends. the fish will be more active in the warmer water (except trout) so larger baits fished faster can be effective.

as for jigging styles, i prefer carolina type jigging to texas rigs in the Q because of the abundance of rock structure. t-rigs fish better in timber and weedy areas, but the nose weight can get hung up on rocks quite easily. i use a smaller sinker than the traditional carolina rig as to keep the sinker off the bottom and out of the rocks for less hang ups. with that said however, t-rigs fish better in deeper water (as well as jigs) because of the more direct line/weight/lure contact. so if you plan to fish mid day, go for t-rigs, where if you choose the morning/evening where you can go into more shallow water, switch to c-rigs.

another tip when fishing reefs at this time of the year would be to position yourself in the shallower water and cast into the deeper stuff, or cast along the drop. by doing so, the fish, after feeding, will turn back into the deep water and allow you to hook the corner of the mouth more often and give you a better feel of what you have on. if you fish from the deep stuff casting into the shallows, the fish tend to turn back toward you to get to the deeper water. by doing this, the fish gives you less feel because they are coming toward you and giving you more slack to reel in. you tend to lose fish this way because of the lack of line tension and barbless hook combo.
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Reply #7 - Aug 3rd, 2010 at 11:39pm
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Ahoy Mates,
Kerry, you have been given much good advice. The game can be a bit tougher in August than you might first expect. The fish tend to be more concentrated and deeper. They are also fat and happy and have settled into definite patterns as when and what to eat.

PJ is quite likely correct in pointing out that walleyes may be at 30 and 35 ft. I also agree with snow dog that big cranks is the ticket for their extraction. I am also partial, as per Jaximus suggestion, to go with the Taildancer except I am quite partial to the 30.

My advice is thus: Rig a depthfinder (kingfisher has the best set up that I have seen....use the "search mode" in this forum to view). A depth finder is an invaluable tool especially in August. Then I would rig a rodholder and troll around in 25 to 28 ft early in the morning with a big taildancer on 8lb mono. Take some backup taildancers as northerns may deprive you of them. You must be able to tie an excellent knot as the 30 taildancer will put considerable strain on your line. If trollings not your game then Jaximus suggestion of using the 20 taildancer and casting from shallow to deep has great merit. Make a long cast and burn the lure down until you contact bottom and then slowly work it up the incline subtly banging the rocks now and again. Of course trolling will help you locate the fish and is usually what I do before wearing my wrist out with endless casting.

Smallys in August can also prove a bit more complex than one would like. With gobs of crawdads about the living is easy. Again they tend to be grouped and deeper. It is easy to spend a lot of time fishing with out so much as a strike. Again the depth finder would be absolutely crucial to me in August. I like to finesse bass in the summer and that means 4lb line and 4 inch straight tail finesse worms on light wire 1/8 jig heads in 15ft of water.

Last but not least I would plan to be on the water on or just before first light in the mornings especially if you are determined to use tactics that are best suited to june and early july (topwaters and shallow running crankbaits).
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I'm back in town for a few weeks and am looking forward to checking out some trip reports. We did well on our trip with every one catching sizable fish. (the 14 year old had a smally of 4.5lb, a walleye of 5lb, and a laker of 8lb....he was a happy camper  Smiley ). I am quite jealous of you Kerry.....my 7 days only whetted my whistle. I still haven't fully accepted I have to wait another year before I get back!

  
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Reply #8 - Aug 4th, 2010 at 3:05am
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Kerry
Just had another thought......why the braid? I use braid exclusively for backcountry salt water fishing so I am quite familiar with it. I always use a florocarbon leader as well. Light braid can be fussy to tie FC to and I wouldn't even consider fishing it straight in the Q. Braid can also be subject to the normal spinning reel tangles.......except you don't usually untangle braids birdsnests . Out comes the snips. After a week your spool may be much reduced in diameter. That will effect your casting distance as well as increase your frustration level. Snow Dog is right on with his assertion that some stretch will actually help you put fish in the boat as well.

My last two trips I have become a big fan of GAMMA mono. Give it a try or at the very least bring a backup spool of mono.
  
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Reply #9 - Aug 4th, 2010 at 9:23pm
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A friend of mine who actually is a master angler introduced me to Fireline.  I understand that common wisdom suggests that braid is not a good choice for spinning rigs and I have typically used mono.  But on my friend's recommendation I put braid on and found it more resistent to line twist and I find that bird's nests are actaully easier for me to clear with  the braid than with mono.  However I do have a spare spool and I'll be taking either some 10# mono or copoly as a backup.
  
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