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What would you do?
Aug 12th, 2010 at 8:34pm
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I've noticed in our Bear Watch section a report on a bear on the South Arm of Knife Lake which was a problem in late May.  Anyone been to Knife and had problems the last couple of months? 
Our next trip is Aug 17th and we are going to Knife Lake and will probably stay near where this bear was spotted earlier this year.  Would YOU stay where you know you might find a bear...or would you avoid it?  If you did stay there, would you do anything different than usual to keep your camp and food safe?? Huh
  
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Reply #1 - Aug 12th, 2010 at 8:46pm
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I love these questions.

I would do nothing different.  I'm very bear aware and do not worry about one showing up.  There is rarely any reason for a bear to approach my camp.  Food smells are controlled.  99% of my food is dehydrated.  Everything is at least double-bagged.  Stinky food is triple bagged.  I do not leave food available when I'm off-site.  I've never had a bear in camp and the only bear I ever saw in the woods was during a day trip, nowhere near camp.

I'm also pretty smug about it and pretty judgmental when folks are careless.
  
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Reply #2 - Aug 12th, 2010 at 9:03pm
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While taking all of the precautions regarding smells, clean camp, etc, I would avoid a campsite that was known to have a problem bear. Why? This bear has associated people with food, and as such, while they might have difficulty finding the pinata, they will be persistant, and be a constant nuisance until they either find it, or you leave. Why invite the hassle? I speak from previous experience...
  
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Reply #3 - Aug 12th, 2010 at 9:55pm
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Old Salt is right on the button. According to people who research bears and have investigated many contacts and attacks the worst bear is one who is habituated, that is, one that has become used to people and associates people with food. One thing can lead to another.

I suggest that Preacher man read Steven Herreres fine book "Bear attacks, causes and avoidance" and he might be a little less "smug". That is not intended as a slight. I happen to agree with his preoccupation of odor control. Habituated bears, however, are entirely different animal and the standard rules do not apply.

I suggest you avoid the area based mostly on the premise that you are unlikely to enjoy yourself there if you are constantly looking over your shoulder. I am usually always packing spray, it stays right on my hip next to my camera. It is only a last resort. If a bear comes into camp stand back and let him do what he wants. If he approaches you I would raise my voice and be assertive. Failing that I would let him have it and then depart as quickly as I could as the spray may only deter a determined bear for a brief time.

Most people are afraid of Grizzlies, and rightfully so. But most people would be surprised to learn that a black bear is far more likely to be predacious on people than a Grizzly. Don't believe it? Take it up with Mr. Herreres.
  
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Re: What would you do?
Reply #4 - Aug 12th, 2010 at 10:49pm
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I agree, 99% of bear problems are self inflicted, all the reasons that have been mentioned.
Bears that have been habituated are an issue as OS mentioned. While they might not attack you, they'll certainly make your life miserable, so why would you want that.

There are also what have been called the " Rogue" bear. These are young male bears who have established a territory and see everything in it as foe or food. Unfortunately for us humans, were just another item on the menu for these bears, rare as they are.  

I've debated this with IC on the trip we took together. While I have no doubt that yelling/rocks/a beaver wood stick across the nose would deter the 99% I mentioned, the 1% that won't be is why I carry Bear Spray.

I'm less afraid of being killed by a bear outright, than mauled and left to die a slow and painful death. As a solo paddler, I plan for the worst, look for the best.

The recent episode with with Jack Hanna noted wildlife expert points out the value of being prepared for the worst. He did nothing wrong, but the bear(s) didn't see it that way Shocked

IC, I know you keep a clean camp, but IF you stay in a known problem bear area, I think it would be a wise choice to invest in some Bear Spray in case your unlucky enough to encounter that 1% Wink

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Reply #5 - Aug 13th, 2010 at 1:54am
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Thanks for the input guys...when I looked at the map and location of the campsites (even before I read about the problem bear) I said to myself "If ever there would be a bear in camp it would be here."  There are close to a dozen campsites nicely lined up on the shores next to each other like fast food joints at an Interstate intersection  Grin  Perfect pickings for a bear.
We will probably try to avoid the worst area, but I think the bear could be travelling far and wide and could show up almost anywhere.  I'll be hanging the packs twice as carefully as I usually do and giving everyone a pile of rocks and a stout beaver stick to stash beside their tent.  Son Dan is bringing a firearm too.
I have also NOT had a bear in camp in the past 25 years and only have seen bears twice in the Q and BW woods in that time frame.
  
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Re: What would you do?
Reply #6 - Aug 13th, 2010 at 3:05pm
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I would probably try to keep from staying at a known nuissance bear campsite.  The south shore of South Arm Knife has been a bear feeder for at least a decade, most likely because it's an easy day's paddle from Moose Lake and people aren't vigilant about their food/trash.  Take an island campsite, or be ready to pack up and leave.  Sure, bears can swim, but my experience is that they typically don't hole up on an island when there's lots of food on the mainland.  At least Knife Lake has lots of campsites, so if you have to pack up, you can do it without having to portage.

I would definitely stay away from a known problem bear on a hard to reach lake with only 1 or 2 campsites.
  
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Re: What would you do?
Reply #7 - Aug 13th, 2010 at 5:33pm
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Habituation is definitely a problem.  My problem is knowing where these bears are and what are the locations?  Seeing a bear somewhere doesn't mean the bear is habituated.  Seing it there several times does.

Very little will ever affect my smugness.   Wink

Bear spray is something I should get, being mostly solo it's just prudent.
  
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Reply #8 - Aug 13th, 2010 at 8:36pm
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jjcanoeguide wrote on Aug 13th, 2010 at 3:05pm:
 Sure, bears can swim, but my experience is that they typically don't hole up on an island when there's lots of food on the mainland.


I wonder about that and here's why. (This is only my own surmising BTW and I could be mistaken). Moose often take their calves to islands to help deter predation from their #1 mortal enemy, wolves. I believe that adult male bears frequent the islands in search of these calves.

Like I said, I could be wrong but bear sign on islands is not at all uncommon and I expect to find it if I look hard enough than not. I suppose I would have to defer to canoe guides and fur trappers though on that one.
  
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Re: What would you do?
Reply #9 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 2:52am
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mastertangler wrote on Aug 13th, 2010 at 8:36pm:
I wonder about that and here's why. (This is only my own surmising BTW and I could be mistaken). Moose often take their calves to islands to help deter predation from their #1 mortal enemy, wolves. I believe that adult male bears frequent the islands in search of these calves.


Might be true in early spring, but once the calves are old enough to walk with mom to forage I think the island incentive would disappear for bears. 

Most...not all, but most...places I've seen evidence of problem bears are on mainland or where careless campers often congregate.
  
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